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From: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
To: akataria@vmware.com
Cc: Gerd Hoffmann <kraxel@redhat.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	the arch/x86 maintainers <x86@kernel.org>,
	Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@goop.org>,
	"avi@redhat.com" <avi@redhat.com>,
	Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>,
	Zach Amsden <zach@vmware.com>, Daniel Hecht <dhecht@vmware.com>,
	"Jun.Nakajima@Intel.Com" <Jun.Nakajima@Intel.Com>
Subject: Re: Use CPUID to communicate with the hypervisor.
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 10:58:41 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <48E11751.8070901@zytor.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1222710924.30247.21.camel@alok-dev1>

Alok Kataria wrote:
>> Shouldn't you check the hypervisor signature here?
> 
> Nope the whole idea of not checking the hypervisor signature is that we
> should keep this interface generic. 

Unfortunately, given current evidence this is entirely unrealistic.

> So for instance right now, VMware has defined 40000010 leaf, if either
> kvm/xen think it could be useful they could just define that leaf to
> return nonzero value and the kernel will start using it for them.
> Likewise, if in future either kvm/xen come up with a need to define a
> new CPUID leaf they can define the semantics for that leaf, and the
> corresponding kernel side stuff. If VMware, think that this new leaf is
> useful, we can then support that leaf in our hypervisor or return zero
> otherwise.

This is only true if you can also except M$ and other hypervisor vendors 
to stick to it.  So far, hypervisor vendors have hardly shown any 
inclination toward standardization.

Hence I really don't think it is sane.

	-hpa

  reply	other threads:[~2008-09-29 18:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 49+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-09-26 23:46 Use CPUID to communicate with the hypervisor Alok Kataria
2008-09-27  0:09 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-09-27  0:30   ` Alok Kataria
2008-09-27  0:32     ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-09-27  0:59       ` Nakajima, Jun
2008-09-27  1:55         ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-09-27  4:52           ` Nakajima, Jun
2008-09-29 20:56   ` Karel Zak
2008-09-27  1:02 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-09-27  1:28   ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-09-27  3:11   ` Alok Kataria
2008-09-27  4:20     ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-09-27  5:37       ` Alok Kataria
2008-09-28  5:01     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-09-29  9:28       ` Tim Deegan
2008-09-29  9:44         ` Avi Kivity
2008-09-29  6:55 ` Gleb Natapov
2008-09-29  7:37   ` Avi Kivity
2008-09-29  9:08     ` Bernd Eckenfels
2008-09-29  9:33       ` Gleb Natapov
2008-09-29 15:32     ` Nakajima, Jun
2008-09-30  9:16       ` Avi Kivity
2008-09-29  8:24 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2008-09-29 17:55   ` Alok Kataria
2008-09-29 17:58     ` H. Peter Anvin [this message]
2008-09-29 18:46     ` Gerd Hoffmann
2008-09-29 19:38       ` Alok Kataria
2008-09-29 20:31         ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-09-29 20:55         ` Nakajima, Jun
2008-09-29 21:07           ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-09-29 21:28             ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-09-29 21:49               ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-09-29 23:20               ` Zachary Amsden
2008-09-30  0:33                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-09-30  0:12               ` Alok Kataria
2008-09-30  0:31                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-09-30  0:56                   ` Nakajima, Jun
2008-09-30  0:58                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-09-30  1:14                       ` Nakajima, Jun
2008-09-30  2:21                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-09-30  3:14                           ` Nakajima, Jun
2008-09-30  3:48                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-09-29 22:46         ` Gerd Hoffmann
2008-09-30  0:33           ` Alok Kataria
2008-09-30  8:11             ` Gerd Hoffmann
2008-09-30 16:42               ` Zachary Amsden
2008-10-02 11:52                 ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-01  4:35               ` [Hypervisors] TSC frequency change Alok Kataria
2008-10-01  9:47                 ` Gerd Hoffmann

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