From: Gerd Hoffmann <kraxel@redhat.com>
To: akataria@vmware.com
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
the arch/x86 maintainers <x86@kernel.org>,
Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@goop.org>,
"avi@redhat.com" <avi@redhat.com>,
Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>,
Zach Amsden <zach@vmware.com>, Daniel Hecht <dhecht@vmware.com>,
"Jun.Nakajima@Intel.Com" <Jun.Nakajima@Intel.Com>
Subject: Re: Use CPUID to communicate with the hypervisor.
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 20:46:19 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <48E1227B.9040809@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1222710924.30247.21.camel@alok-dev1>
Alok Kataria wrote:
> Hi Gerd,
>
>> Shouldn't you check the hypervisor signature here?
>
> Nope the whole idea of not checking the hypervisor signature is that we
> should keep this interface generic.
Nice idea. Problem with that is that approach is that we don't have
full control here. It probably isn't that a hard to have vmware, xen
and kvm agree here, given vmware proposes this and for xen+kvm one can
send patches. But even that you can't take for granted, see the
discussion of the "tsc-may-change-on-migration" problem.
The real big problem are other closed-source hypervisors (VirtualPC /
Hyper-V / Parallels / ...). How can we be sure they don't define that
leaf to something different?
> Also one thing to remember is, that a hypervisor can decide to not
> implement this level and just return "0" the kernel can then just ignore
> that value. That's what we do currently in native_calibrate_tsc.
The fudamental issue outlined above aside: Even the "ignore 0" part
isn't in the patch right now.
>> Right now both kvm and xen use the first one or two leafes (after info),
>> but in incompatible ways, so for these the signature *must* be checked
>> before using the info found there.
>
> Hmm that's unfortunate, but we can have exceptions for these one of
> cases and AFAIK these are only checked in the kvm/xen code path and not
> in any generic code as of now, right ?
Yes.
> btw, i could only find the semantics for 0x40000001 leaf in KVM's header
> file but don't see Xen using that leaf, can you please point me which
> leafs are you referring to here.
pv drivers in hvm guests use that (and query very xen-specific stuff
which wouldn't make much sense in other hypervisors). It isn't in the
kernel source tree, look here instead:
http://xenbits.xensource.com/xen-3.3-testing.hg?file/19201eebab16/unmodified_drivers/linux-2.6/platform-pci/platform-pci.c
cheers,
Gerd
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-09-29 18:47 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 49+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-09-26 23:46 Use CPUID to communicate with the hypervisor Alok Kataria
2008-09-27 0:09 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-09-27 0:30 ` Alok Kataria
2008-09-27 0:32 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-09-27 0:59 ` Nakajima, Jun
2008-09-27 1:55 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-09-27 4:52 ` Nakajima, Jun
2008-09-29 20:56 ` Karel Zak
2008-09-27 1:02 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-09-27 1:28 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-09-27 3:11 ` Alok Kataria
2008-09-27 4:20 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-09-27 5:37 ` Alok Kataria
2008-09-28 5:01 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-09-29 9:28 ` Tim Deegan
2008-09-29 9:44 ` Avi Kivity
2008-09-29 6:55 ` Gleb Natapov
2008-09-29 7:37 ` Avi Kivity
2008-09-29 9:08 ` Bernd Eckenfels
2008-09-29 9:33 ` Gleb Natapov
2008-09-29 15:32 ` Nakajima, Jun
2008-09-30 9:16 ` Avi Kivity
2008-09-29 8:24 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2008-09-29 17:55 ` Alok Kataria
2008-09-29 17:58 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-09-29 18:46 ` Gerd Hoffmann [this message]
2008-09-29 19:38 ` Alok Kataria
2008-09-29 20:31 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-09-29 20:55 ` Nakajima, Jun
2008-09-29 21:07 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-09-29 21:28 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-09-29 21:49 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-09-29 23:20 ` Zachary Amsden
2008-09-30 0:33 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-09-30 0:12 ` Alok Kataria
2008-09-30 0:31 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-09-30 0:56 ` Nakajima, Jun
2008-09-30 0:58 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-09-30 1:14 ` Nakajima, Jun
2008-09-30 2:21 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-09-30 3:14 ` Nakajima, Jun
2008-09-30 3:48 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-09-29 22:46 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2008-09-30 0:33 ` Alok Kataria
2008-09-30 8:11 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2008-09-30 16:42 ` Zachary Amsden
2008-10-02 11:52 ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-01 4:35 ` [Hypervisors] TSC frequency change Alok Kataria
2008-10-01 9:47 ` Gerd Hoffmann
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