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From: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
To: Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@goop.org>
Cc: "Nakajima, Jun" <jun.nakajima@intel.com>,
	"akataria@vmware.com" <akataria@vmware.com>,
	Gerd Hoffmann <kraxel@redhat.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	the arch/x86 maintainers <x86@kernel.org>,
	"avi@redhat.com" <avi@redhat.com>,
	Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>,
	Zach Amsden <zach@vmware.com>, Daniel Hecht <dhecht@vmware.com>
Subject: Re: Use CPUID to communicate with the hypervisor.
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 14:49:34 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <48E14D6E.7030105@zytor.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <48E1486C.3060306@goop.org>

Jeremy Fitzhardinge wrote:
>>>
>> Unless there is a central authority assigning these, "we" can do all
>> we want, enough people will not pay attention.
>>
>> Basically, there needs to be a standards document that describes the
>> architecture, *and* needs to either have universal buy-in with all the
>> vendors or imposed by an authority with enough clout to do so (Intel
>> might.)
> 
> I think using fixed offsets is unwise, since there's already contention
> for the same leaves.  Making sure that each block of leaves (where a
> block is 16, 256 or some other number of leaves) is self-describing via
> ABI signatures is the only sane way to go.  There's still the issue of
> assigning ABI signatures to vendors, but that's 1) less of an issue, and
> 2) can be self-assigned with very low likelihood of collision.  That way
> a guest can scan that region of leaf space for ABI signatures it
> understand, and can pick and choose among what it finds (but not mix and
> match - that sounds like a course for disaster).

If you can't mix and match, there is no point, since very likely all 
hypervisors will have at least some unique information.

> If we use such a scheme, we can 1) avoid any existing users of that
> space, 2) cleanly delimit a hypervisor-agnostic ABI portion of the leaf
> space, and 3) allow hypervisors to implement multiple ABIs at once.

Yes, see my previous "half-baked" sketch.

	-hpa


  reply	other threads:[~2008-09-29 21:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 49+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-09-26 23:46 Use CPUID to communicate with the hypervisor Alok Kataria
2008-09-27  0:09 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-09-27  0:30   ` Alok Kataria
2008-09-27  0:32     ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-09-27  0:59       ` Nakajima, Jun
2008-09-27  1:55         ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-09-27  4:52           ` Nakajima, Jun
2008-09-29 20:56   ` Karel Zak
2008-09-27  1:02 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-09-27  1:28   ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-09-27  3:11   ` Alok Kataria
2008-09-27  4:20     ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-09-27  5:37       ` Alok Kataria
2008-09-28  5:01     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-09-29  9:28       ` Tim Deegan
2008-09-29  9:44         ` Avi Kivity
2008-09-29  6:55 ` Gleb Natapov
2008-09-29  7:37   ` Avi Kivity
2008-09-29  9:08     ` Bernd Eckenfels
2008-09-29  9:33       ` Gleb Natapov
2008-09-29 15:32     ` Nakajima, Jun
2008-09-30  9:16       ` Avi Kivity
2008-09-29  8:24 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2008-09-29 17:55   ` Alok Kataria
2008-09-29 17:58     ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-09-29 18:46     ` Gerd Hoffmann
2008-09-29 19:38       ` Alok Kataria
2008-09-29 20:31         ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-09-29 20:55         ` Nakajima, Jun
2008-09-29 21:07           ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-09-29 21:28             ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-09-29 21:49               ` H. Peter Anvin [this message]
2008-09-29 23:20               ` Zachary Amsden
2008-09-30  0:33                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-09-30  0:12               ` Alok Kataria
2008-09-30  0:31                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-09-30  0:56                   ` Nakajima, Jun
2008-09-30  0:58                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-09-30  1:14                       ` Nakajima, Jun
2008-09-30  2:21                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-09-30  3:14                           ` Nakajima, Jun
2008-09-30  3:48                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-09-29 22:46         ` Gerd Hoffmann
2008-09-30  0:33           ` Alok Kataria
2008-09-30  8:11             ` Gerd Hoffmann
2008-09-30 16:42               ` Zachary Amsden
2008-10-02 11:52                 ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-01  4:35               ` [Hypervisors] TSC frequency change Alok Kataria
2008-10-01  9:47                 ` Gerd Hoffmann

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