From: Chris Snook <csnook@redhat.com>
To: Jeff Hansen <x@jeffhansen.com>
Cc: torvalds@linux-foundation.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
mingo@elte.hu
Subject: Re: x86_32 tsc/pit and hrtimers
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 14:41:32 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <48ECFEDC.90305@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0810071640110.25661@ren>
Jeff Hansen wrote:
> Linus, Ingo, All,
>
> I've been struggling with hrtimer support in 2.6.26.5 on an older
> x86_32/i386 system, and I'm wondering if there are any easy fixes that you
> (or anyone else) would suggest.
>
> Basically, this system does not print out the message:
>
> "Switched to high resolution mode on CPU 0"
>
> indicating that one-shot, hrtimers, etc. won't work, since high resolution
> mode has not been enabled. I've verified that hrtimers started with
> hrtimer_start do not have the expected resolution further than 1/HZ.
>
> This system does not have LAPIC, ACPI, or HPET, so really the only
> clocksources I can use are TSC and PIT. This should be fine (in theory,
> unless it wasn't designed like that), but apparently the clocksource flags
> are not initialized in such a way that one of them ever gets marked as
> CLOCK_SOURCE_VALID_FOR_HRES.
>
> The flow of the flags on each of these clocksources is as follows:
>
> 1) The flags on the TSC clocksource are CLOCK_SOURCE_IS_CONTINUOUS |
> CLOCK_SOURCE_MUST_VERIFY, which causes PIT to be used as the watchdog
> clocksource. (see kernel/time/clocksource.c:~171)
> 2) Around line 122 in kernel/time/clocksource.c, where most clocksources'
> flags usually get ORed with CLOCK_SOURCE_VALID_FOR_HRES, the PIT's do
> not because it is not CLOCK_SOURCE_IS_CONTINUOUS, and the TSC's do not
> also because the PIT (as the watchdog) is not
> CLOCK_SOURCE_IS_CONTINUOUS.
>
> I get the same results on a new laptop booting into 32-bit Linux with hpet
> and acpi disabled.
>
> Can you please tell me if this is supposed to work, and I just have a
> poorly configured kernel; or if TSC/PIT drivers were not designed to work
> this way in the first place. If it wasn't designed to do this, do you
> have any tips on implementing this, since I'll be needing to do that?
>
> -Jeff Hansen
This is not supposed to work, but it might be worthwhile to add a boot option to
force the kernel to trust the TSC, as hardware that lacks any high-res timers
also tends to be primitive enough that the TSC can be trusted, if it exists. If
you patch out the CLOCK_SOURCE_MUST_VERIFY flag on the TSC, do you get
correctly-functioning high-res timers on this system?
-- Chris
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-10-08 18:41 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-10-07 22:41 x86_32 tsc/pit and hrtimers Jeff Hansen
2008-10-08 18:41 ` Chris Snook [this message]
2008-10-08 19:46 ` Jeff Hansen
2008-10-08 20:25 ` Chris Snook
2008-10-08 21:43 ` [PATCH] " Jeff Hansen
2008-10-08 21:47 ` Randy.Dunlap
2008-10-08 21:47 ` Chris Snook
2008-10-08 21:56 ` Jeff Hansen
2008-10-09 7:14 ` Thomas Gleixner
2008-10-09 18:39 ` Chris Snook
2008-10-09 19:18 ` Thomas Gleixner
2008-10-09 19:45 ` Jeff Hansen
2008-10-09 19:53 ` Thomas Gleixner
2008-10-09 20:45 ` Alok kataria
2008-10-09 21:03 ` Chris Snook
2008-10-09 21:18 ` Jeff Hansen
2008-10-09 22:03 ` Alok Kataria
2008-10-09 21:53 ` Alok Kataria
2008-10-09 22:50 ` Chris Snook
2008-10-09 23:22 ` Alok Kataria
2008-10-09 23:37 ` Chris Snook
2008-10-10 14:24 ` Jeff Hansen
2008-10-09 17:20 ` Pavel Machek
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