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From: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
To: Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>
Cc: akataria@vmware.com, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	the arch/x86 maintainers <x86@kernel.org>,
	Daniel Hecht <dhecht@vmware.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Skip tsc synchronization checks if CONSTANT_TSC bit is set.
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 17:46:15 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <49011AD7.7000901@zytor.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20081024002511.GC27492@one.firstfloor.org>

Andi Kleen wrote:
>> As far as skipping the check, it makes sense for me in the case of known 
>> virtualization platforms; a CPU feature bit, real or synthetic, is a 
>> very clean way to do that. 
> 
> I don't think adding detection for non PV Hypervisors is anywhere clean
> Even if it's only VMware today, tomorrow it will be a few more
> and long term you might need to support all of the obscuro hypervisors
> that are out there. Just seems like a slippery slope. Either it's 
> paravirtual or it's not, but it should attempt to be both. If the hypervisor
> doesn't emulate TSC well enough that the native code works it's entirely
> reasonable to let it use some other timer, like it has been always
> done in the past.

That is at least to some degree nonsense, simply because we are all well 
down that particular "slippery slope": we have hardware blacklists and 
whitelists, CPU-specific workarounds, and so on all over the place, and 
in that sense a hypervisor really isn't different than another hardware 
platform.

	-hpa

  reply	other threads:[~2008-10-24  0:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-10-21  1:35 [PATCH 0/3] Improve TSC as a clocksource under VMware Alok Kataria
2008-10-21  5:55 ` Chris Snook
2008-10-21 19:11   ` Alok Kataria
2008-10-22 19:26   ` Alok Kataria
2008-10-22 19:29     ` Jeff Hansen
2008-10-21  9:43 ` Andi Kleen
2008-10-21 16:41   ` Alok Kataria
2008-10-21 17:40     ` Andi Kleen
2008-10-21 18:04       ` Alok Kataria
2008-10-21 18:15         ` Andi Kleen
2008-10-21 19:10           ` Alok Kataria
2008-10-21 19:27             ` Andi Kleen
2008-10-21 19:47               ` Alok Kataria
2008-10-21 21:41                 ` Alok Kataria
2008-10-22 19:23               ` [PATCH] Skip tsc synchronization checks if CONSTANT_TSC bit is set Alok Kataria
2008-10-22 19:26                 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-10-22 19:30                   ` Alok Kataria
2008-10-22 20:17                   ` Andi Kleen
2008-10-22 22:04                     ` Alok Kataria
2008-10-22 19:58                 ` Andi Kleen
2008-10-22 22:00                   ` Alok Kataria
2008-10-22 22:13                     ` Andi Kleen
2008-10-22 22:11                       ` Alok Kataria
2008-10-22 22:54                         ` Andi Kleen
2008-10-23  2:21                           ` Alok Kataria
2008-10-23  8:10                             ` Andi Kleen
2008-10-23 23:39                               ` Alok Kataria
2008-10-23 23:47                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-24  0:25                                   ` Andi Kleen
2008-10-24  0:46                                     ` H. Peter Anvin [this message]
2008-10-24  7:23                                       ` Andi Kleen
2008-10-24 15:30                                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-24 19:25                                           ` Andi Kleen
2008-10-24 19:19                                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-24 19:34                                               ` Andi Kleen
2008-10-24 19:50                                                 ` Alok Kataria
2008-10-24 20:18                                             ` Dan Hecht
2008-10-24  1:12                                   ` Alok Kataria
2008-10-24  1:18                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-22 22:15                     ` Alan Cox
2008-10-22 22:17                       ` Alok Kataria
2008-10-21  9:50 ` [PATCH 0/3] Improve TSC as a clocksource under VMware Pavel Machek
2008-10-21 16:48   ` Alok Kataria
2008-10-21 18:36     ` Pavel Machek

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