From: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
To: Miklos Szeredi <miklos@szeredi.hu>
Cc: fuse-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, greg@kroah.com,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCHSET] FUSE: extend FUSE to support more operations
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 20:54:48 +0900 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <491C1588.2060907@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1L0afo-0006gr-UM@pomaz-ex.szeredi.hu>
Hello,
Miklos Szeredi wrote:
>> Why do you think using separate poll handle would be better? And do you
>> still think the overhead is justifiable?
>
> Because it would be a change in the semantics of the file handle.
> Previously it was just an opaque cookie that the kernel stored for the
> filesystem, not making any assumptions about it (like uniqueness).
>
> OK, we can say that if the filesystems wants to implement poll, it has
> to make the file handle unique. Also now the filesystem (or
> something) has to deal with races between poll notification and
> reuse of the file handle (release/open).
>
> With a new poll handle we'd have more room to properly deal with these
> without overloading the file handle with extra requirements.
>
> How about this: the poll handle is allocated by the kernel, not by the
> filesystem. This guarantees uniqueness, so the filesystem cannot get
> this wrong. Releasing the poll handle is still tricky, there could be
> various races... only the userspace filesystem knows if it has no
> outstanding notificiatons on a poll handle, so the release has to come
> after all outstanding notifications have been ack'ed. Something like
> this:
>
> (userspace <- kernel)
>
> <- POLL-request(pollhandle) (alloc handle)
> -> POLL-reply
> ...
> -> POLL-notification(pollhandle)
> <- POLL-ack
> ...
> <- POLL_RELEASE(pollhandle)
> -> POLL_RELEASE-reply (free handle)
Hmm... yeah, allocating handle from kernel should work fine, but I
wouldn't worry about race here. We can just use 64 bit and guarantee
that any handle won't be reused ever.
Thanks.
--
tejun
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-11-13 11:55 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 82+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-08-28 17:40 [PATCHSET] FUSE: extend FUSE to support more operations Tejun Heo
2008-08-28 17:40 ` [PATCH 1/7] FUSE: add include protectors Tejun Heo
2008-08-28 17:40 ` [PATCH 2/7] FUSE: pass nonblock flag to client Tejun Heo
2008-08-28 17:40 ` [PATCH 3/7] FUSE: implement nonseekable open Tejun Heo
2008-08-28 17:41 ` [PATCH 4/7] FUSE: implement direct lseek support Tejun Heo
2008-08-28 17:41 ` [PATCH 5/7] FUSE: implement ioctl support Tejun Heo
2008-08-28 17:51 ` Greg KH
2008-08-28 17:59 ` Tejun Heo
2008-08-28 18:01 ` Tejun Heo
2008-08-28 18:13 ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-08-28 18:17 ` Tejun Heo
2008-08-28 18:23 ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-08-28 18:34 ` Tejun Heo
2008-08-28 19:25 ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-08-28 19:42 ` Tejun Heo
2008-08-28 20:02 ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-08-29 2:19 ` Tejun Heo
2008-08-29 7:59 ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-08-29 8:12 ` Tejun Heo
2008-08-29 8:29 ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-08-29 9:03 ` Tejun Heo
2008-08-29 19:17 ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-08-29 19:47 ` Arnd Bergmann
2008-08-30 11:40 ` Tejun Heo
2008-09-01 11:57 ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-09-01 12:03 ` Tejun Heo
2008-09-03 14:32 ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-09-03 14:40 ` Tejun Heo
2008-09-03 21:51 ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-09-04 0:09 ` Tejun Heo
2008-08-29 11:31 ` [fuse-devel] " Roger Willcocks
2008-08-29 11:54 ` Tejun Heo
2008-08-28 20:48 ` Alan Cox
2008-08-28 18:02 ` Tejun Heo
2008-08-28 18:14 ` Greg KH
2008-08-28 18:25 ` Tejun Heo
2008-08-28 18:20 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-08-28 18:28 ` Tejun Heo
2008-08-28 19:08 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-08-28 19:18 ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-08-28 20:21 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-08-28 20:55 ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-08-28 21:27 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-08-29 7:32 ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-08-28 17:41 ` [PATCH 6/7] FUSE: implement unsolicited notification Tejun Heo
2008-08-28 17:41 ` [PATCH 7/7] FUSE: implement poll support Tejun Heo
2008-08-28 18:20 ` [PATCHSET] FUSE: extend FUSE to support more operations Miklos Szeredi
2008-08-28 18:23 ` Tejun Heo
2008-10-14 8:21 ` Tejun Heo
2008-10-14 9:37 ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-10-14 12:16 ` [fuse-devel] " Szabolcs Szakacsits
2008-10-14 12:43 ` Miklos Szeredi
[not found] ` <2cff7cb50810141032m5793a405h7425dfa122fb67ba@mail.gmail.com>
2008-10-14 21:04 ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-11-12 8:41 ` Tejun Heo
2008-11-12 9:14 ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-11-12 9:30 ` Tejun Heo
2008-11-12 9:36 ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-11-12 9:43 ` [fuse-devel] " Mike Hommey
2008-11-12 10:00 ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-11-13 5:54 ` Tejun Heo
2008-11-13 6:06 ` Tejun Heo
2008-11-13 11:19 ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-11-13 11:29 ` Tejun Heo
2008-11-13 11:57 ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-11-13 12:14 ` Tejun Heo
2008-11-13 6:26 ` Tejun Heo
2008-11-13 11:47 ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-11-13 11:54 ` Tejun Heo [this message]
2008-11-13 11:58 ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-11-13 12:34 ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-11-13 13:23 ` Tejun Heo
2008-11-13 13:42 ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-11-13 14:29 ` Tejun Heo
2008-11-13 14:48 ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-11-13 15:10 ` Tejun Heo
2008-11-13 15:52 ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-11-13 16:00 ` Tejun Heo
2008-11-17 9:17 ` Tejun Heo
2008-11-17 10:16 ` [fuse-devel] " Miklos Szeredi
2008-11-18 3:32 ` Tejun Heo
2008-11-18 9:33 ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-11-18 10:30 ` Tejun Heo
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