From: Randy Dunlap <randy.dunlap@oracle.com>
To: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
Cc: randy.dunlap@oracle.com, rusty@rustcorp.com.au,
akpm@linux-foundation.org, rmk+lkml@arm.linux.org.uk,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, sfr@canb.auug.org.au
Subject: Re: Yet more ARM breakage in linux-next
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 16:18:47 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <493721E7.3010603@oracle.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20081203.160144.215210763.davem@davemloft.net>
David Miller wrote:
> From: Randy Dunlap <randy.dunlap@oracle.com>
> Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 15:37:44 -0800
>
>> Rusty Russell wrote:
>>> On Thursday 04 December 2008 07:11:09 Andrew Morton wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 3 Dec 2008 19:29:05 +0000
>>>>
>>>> Russell King <rmk+lkml@arm.linux.org.uk> wrote:
>>>>> This seems to be causing lots of ARM breakage:
>>>>>
>>>>> lib/find_next_bit.c:183: error: implicit declaration of function '__fls'
>>>>>
>>>>> Whoever's responsible,
>>>> git-blame?
>>> It's me. Turns out sparc, avr32 and arm all don't define __fls in their
>>> asm/bitops.h, and I'm the first one to use it in generic code.
>>>
>>> But as I prepared this patch, I note that the armv5 __fls/fls is wrong:
>>>
>>> /* Implement fls() in C so that 64-bit args are suitably truncated */
>>> static inline int fls(int x)
>>> {
>>> return __fls(x);
>>> }
>>>
>>> __fls(x) returns a bit number (0-31). fls() returns 0 or bitnumber+1.
>>>
>>> (Yes, classic useless kerneldoc documentation doesn't actually *say*
>>> this clearly).
>>
>> oh fud. That's not a fault of kernel-doc, just of whoever wrote it.
>> It's only as good as someone makes it.
>
> That's true, but it is not fud to say that kerneldoc is only any good
> if people keep it accurate and up to date, and this is what I think
> Rusty is upset about.
>
> I personally don't like kerneldoc at all, because the truth is that
> people will work on fixing bugs and other userful things before
> keeping kerneldoc up to date.
>
> And that's the basic fact which cannot be denied.
>
> I wish it could work, but it doesn't across the board. So unless
> we have dedicated monkeys scouring over every single patch that
> goes into the tree and doing the necessary kerneldoc updates,
> kerneldoc will be chronically wrong somewhere.
>
> That leads to confusion and lost developer time. Because if the
> kerneldoc bits are wrong, it's worthless.
That's all independent of kernel-doc. I.e., if someone just used
plain comments and they still were not being updated (typical),
then it's the same problem. And yes, I agree, the wrong documentation
is bad and a time sink.
~Randy
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-12-04 0:20 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-12-03 19:29 Yet more ARM breakage in linux-next Russell King
2008-12-03 20:41 ` Andrew Morton
2008-12-03 23:22 ` Rusty Russell
2008-12-03 23:37 ` Randy Dunlap
2008-12-03 23:46 ` Andrew Morton
2008-12-04 0:10 ` Alan Cox
2008-12-04 0:01 ` David Miller
2008-12-04 0:18 ` Randy Dunlap [this message]
2008-12-04 1:27 ` Rusty Russell
2008-12-04 2:56 ` Stephen Hemminger
2008-12-04 0:31 ` Russell King
2008-12-04 3:06 ` Nicolas Pitre
2008-12-04 1:33 ` Mike Frysinger
2008-12-04 2:15 ` Rusty Russell
2008-12-04 3:55 ` Mike Frysinger
2008-12-04 9:18 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2008-12-04 14:12 ` Rusty Russell
2008-12-07 21:50 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2008-12-08 6:20 ` Rusty Russell
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