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From: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
To: Mike Frysinger <vapier@gentoo.org>
Cc: Sam Ravnborg <sam@ravnborg.org>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	tglx@linutronix.de, mingo@redhat.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] x86 byteorder.h: use __asm__/__inline__ for userspace
Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 12:45:25 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <495693E5.3060604@zytor.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200812271505.46872.vapier@gentoo.org>

Mike Frysinger wrote:
> On Saturday 27 December 2008 14:23:19 H. Peter Anvin wrote:
>> Mike Frysinger wrote:
>>> {su}{8,16,32,64} doesnt matter too much to me vs {u,}int_t{8,16,32,64}_t.
>>>  as long as people stop using __{su}{8,16,32,64}.  using the latter
>>> though does mean headers will more likely be "just usable" w/out needing
>>> linux/types.h include.  but then people would be forced to include
>>> stdint.h or similar before a linux header ... and that sucks.
>> That is a total non-starter.  This would mean that the C library itself
>> cannot use these headers without exporting additional symbols into the
>> namespace, *WHICH IT IS NOT ALLOWED TO DO*.
> 
> which is already happening today you mean.  grep the kernel headers and you'll 
> see a ton of [u]intXX_t hits.

Now, keep in mind this is only true for headers exported to userspace.
But this is correct - which is the base of this conversation (Sam
suggesting that they should be warned about, and I suggested
auto-converting them.)

> this logic though means that the kernel should not be defining any structures 
> that the C library is defining (such as asm-generic/fcntl.h).  such structs 
> should get renamed the same way as __[us]XX types

This is also correct, at least for exported headers.  For
kernel-internal headers, it doesn't matter.  Unfortunately we do have at
least several cases of exported interfaces with globally visible names.

There is one other exception of note, which is a header file which can
only be included by the userspace *application*, using a nonportable
top-level include (either directly <linux/*> or indirectly via <sys/*>).
 In those cases we can be looser about at least structure names.  This
is common for ioctl structures.

	-hpa


-- 
H. Peter Anvin, Intel Open Source Technology Center
I work for Intel.  I don't speak on their behalf.


  reply	other threads:[~2008-12-27 20:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-12-27  6:50 [PATCH] x86 byteorder.h: use __asm__/__inline__ for userspace Mike Frysinger
2008-12-27  7:12 ` Sam Ravnborg
2008-12-27  7:55   ` Mike Frysinger
2008-12-27  8:47   ` Ingo Molnar
2008-12-27  9:21     ` Mike Frysinger
2008-12-27 18:57     ` Sam Ravnborg
2008-12-27 18:58       ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-12-27 19:12         ` Sam Ravnborg
2008-12-27 19:15           ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-12-27 19:21             ` Mike Frysinger
2008-12-27 19:23               ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-12-27 20:05                 ` Mike Frysinger
2008-12-27 20:45                   ` H. Peter Anvin [this message]
2008-12-27 20:57                     ` Mike Frysinger
2008-12-27 21:08                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-12-27 21:09                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-12-29 11:56                         ` Mike Frysinger
2008-12-29 17:44                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-12-27 19:24             ` Sam Ravnborg
2008-12-27 19:24               ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-12-29 11:12             ` [PATCH] kbuild: auto-convert size types in userspace headers Mike Frysinger
2008-12-29 14:03               ` Sam Ravnborg
2008-12-29 20:34                 ` Mike Frysinger
2008-12-29 20:36                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-12-29 22:04                     ` Mike Frysinger
2008-12-29 23:35                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-12-30 10:43                   ` Sam Ravnborg
2008-12-30 17:42                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-01-18 20:53                       ` Sam Ravnborg
2009-01-07 16:44           ` [PATCH] x86 byteorder.h: use __asm__/__inline__ for userspace David Woodhouse
2008-12-27 21:15     ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-12-28 22:35 ` Marcin Slusarz
2008-12-28 23:03   ` H. Peter Anvin

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