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From: David Newall <davidn@davidnewall.com>
To: Chris Adams <cmadams@hiwaay.net>
Cc: Robert Hancock <hancockr@shaw.ca>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linasvepstas@gmail.com,
	"Jeffrey J. Kosowsky" <jeff@kosowsky.org>,
	MentalMooMan <slashdot@jameshallam.info>,
	Travis Crump <pretzalz@techhouse.org>,
	Goodgerster <goodgerster@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Bug: Status/Summary of slashdot leap-second crash on new years 2008-2009
Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 19:11:10 +1030	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <49607626.8010803@davidnewall.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090103070022.GC1538533@hiwaay.net>

Chris Adams wrote:
> The leap second isn't a simple thing like a time zone.  Zones account
> for an offset from UTC
Time zones are described that way, but I was wondering why not use
zoneinfo, which describes the local time after an arbitrary number of
seconds since the epoch.  The leap second is a textbook case for
updating zoneinfo.


> , but a leap second is an extra second inserted
> into (or possibly removed from) UTC itself.  There was actually a 61
> second minute on Dec. 31.


> The trouble comes in keeping the "seconds
> since the epoch" counter sane, meaning (seconds % 86400) == 0 at
> 00:00:00 UTC.

That sounds like an irrelevant quality, and as we've seen, striving for
it has caused difficulties. Worse, we've now got the situation where the
number of seconds between midnight starting December 31 and midnight
starting January 1 is incorrect.  The correct value is 86401, because
that's how many seconds there were.

> Since there were 86401 seconds Dec. 31, the kernel had to
> tick the last second twice to keep correct UTC time.

It didn't have to, but apparently, and regrettably, that's what was
done; leaving an even bigger problem.  How many seconds does the
computer claim were in 2008?  Probably not enough.

  reply	other threads:[~2009-01-04  8:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 109+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-01-02 19:25 Bug: Status/Summary of slashdot leap-second crash on new years 2008-2009 Linas Vepstas
2009-01-02 20:04 ` Diego Calleja
2009-01-02 20:25   ` Robert Hancock
2009-01-03  6:32     ` David Newall
2009-01-03  6:37       ` Ben Goodger
2009-01-04  8:43         ` David Newall
2009-01-04  9:00           ` Kyle Moffett
2009-01-04 10:03             ` David Newall
2009-01-04 11:13               ` david
2009-01-04 23:15                 ` David Newall
2009-01-04 23:25                   ` Chris Adams
2009-01-05  0:01                     ` David Newall
2009-01-05  0:41                       ` Alan Cox
2009-01-05  8:43                         ` David Newall
2009-01-05 19:47                           ` Alan Cox
2009-01-05  0:29                   ` david
2009-01-04 23:37                     ` David Newall
2009-01-05  1:05                       ` david
2009-01-05  0:14                         ` David Newall
2009-01-05  0:21                           ` Ben Goodger
2009-01-05  6:34                             ` David Newall
2009-01-05 23:03                               ` Linas Vepstas
2009-01-05  0:44                         ` Alan Cox
2009-01-05  5:48                       ` Linas Vepstas
2009-01-05 14:33                         ` Nick Andrew
2009-01-05 16:08                           ` Linas Vepstas
2009-01-05 17:51                             ` david
2009-01-05 17:42                               ` Linas Vepstas
2009-01-06  2:27                                 ` john stultz-lkml
2009-01-06  4:53                                   ` Linas Vepstas
2009-01-06  5:00                                     ` Linas Vepstas
2009-01-06 19:40                                     ` [ntpwg] " M. Warner Losh
2009-01-06 19:50                                 ` M. Warner Losh
2009-01-07  3:50                                 ` Danny Mayer
2009-01-07  4:52                                   ` Linas Vepstas
2009-01-07 10:03                                     ` David Newall
2009-01-07 17:24                                       ` M. Warner Losh
2009-01-08 16:51                                         ` Magnus Danielson
2009-01-07 14:34                                     ` Danny Mayer
2009-01-07 15:42                                       ` Linas Vepstas
2009-01-07 19:23                                         ` Danny Mayer
2009-01-07 16:04                                       ` john stultz
2009-01-07 17:36                                     ` M. Warner Losh
2009-01-07 17:39                                   ` M. Warner Losh
2009-01-07 19:31                                     ` Alan Cox
2009-01-07 19:42                                       ` M. Warner Losh
2009-01-08  3:57                                       ` Danny Mayer
2009-01-08  4:42                                         ` M. Warner Losh
2009-01-08 10:48                                           ` Alan Cox
2009-01-08 10:56                                             ` Alan Cox
2009-01-08 22:22                                               ` David Mills
2009-01-08 15:02                                             ` M. Warner Losh
2009-01-08 18:57                                               ` Marshall Eubanks
2009-01-08 20:09                                     ` Steve Allen
2009-01-12 16:11                                 ` Pavel Machek
2009-01-12 17:07                                   ` [ntpwg] " M. Warner Losh
2009-01-12 21:45                                     ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2009-01-06  2:31                             ` Nick Andrew
2009-01-06  1:59                           ` David Newall
2009-01-06  2:18                             ` Chris Adams
2009-01-06  2:51                             ` Nick Andrew
2009-01-06  9:40                               ` Alan Cox
2009-01-07  1:17                                 ` Nick Andrew
2009-01-07  9:37                                   ` Alan Cox
2009-01-07  9:46                                 ` David Newall
2009-01-07  9:54                                   ` Alan Cox
2009-01-07 10:18                                     ` David Newall
2009-01-07 10:52                                       ` Alan Cox
2009-01-07 13:45                                         ` David Newall
2009-01-07 14:10                                           ` Alan Cox
2009-01-07 14:36                                             ` David Newall
2009-01-07 15:40                                               ` Alan Cox
2009-01-10  9:46                                                 ` David Newall
2009-01-07 22:13                                               ` Chris Adams
2009-01-07 13:33                                       ` Chris Adams
2009-01-07 13:37                                         ` Alan Cox
2009-01-07 14:12                                           ` David Newall
2009-01-07 14:09                                         ` David Newall
2009-01-07 21:42                                           ` Chris Adams
2009-01-04 11:35               ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2009-01-05  0:08                 ` David Newall
2009-01-06  3:53                   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2009-01-04 17:20               ` Kyle Moffett
2009-01-03  7:00       ` Chris Adams
2009-01-04  8:41         ` David Newall [this message]
2009-01-02 20:29   ` Linas Vepstas
     [not found] ` <8752a8760901021328t545a0327v58faebe1e921680a@mail.gmail.com>
2009-01-02 21:29   ` Ben Goodger
2009-01-03  0:21 ` Chris Adams
2009-01-03  2:23   ` Duane Griffin
2009-01-03  3:45     ` Linas Vepstas
2009-01-03  4:41     ` [PATCH] " Chris Adams
2009-01-03  4:52       ` Duane Griffin
2009-01-03 18:01         ` [PATCH] v2 " Chris Adams
2009-01-03 19:04           ` Duane Griffin
2009-01-03 20:01           ` Linas Vepstas
2009-06-08  2:18           ` Ben Hutchings
2009-06-18 22:34             ` Chris Friesen
2009-06-18 22:58               ` Ben Hutchings
2009-06-18 23:48                 ` Chris Friesen
2009-01-06  2:21   ` john stultz-lkml
2009-01-06  2:25     ` Chris Adams
2009-01-06  4:35     ` Linas Vepstas
2009-01-03  3:49 ` Linas Vepstas
2009-01-03  4:02   ` Ben Goodger
2009-01-03  4:46     ` Duane Griffin
2009-01-03  4:50       ` Ben Goodger
2009-01-03 22:58   ` Jeffrey J. Kosowsky
     [not found] <fa.dw2l5ZM+UL3xoF6IYh5RLMmbYfw@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found] ` <fa.XOM1F85uBvmj4QzZKaDu36nYBk0@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found]   ` <fa.rviZJBmVqkAE5uxDjhJOpIuKT4g@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found]     ` <fa.OPVERUiJ763jH2/QynTxgBgoKYw@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found]       ` <fa.v3FUjJ43bw2G7KiZGaxqL3tD4xo@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found]         ` <fa.BrNhgY8S+TEOLMiPd27M7YHo9bI@ifi.uio.no>
2009-01-04 16:15           ` Sitsofe Wheeler
2009-01-04 17:26             ` Kyle Moffett

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