From: David Newall <davidn@davidnewall.com>
To: Chris Adams <cmadams@hiwaay.net>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Bug: Status/Summary of slashdot leap-second crash on new years 2008-2009
Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 10:31:28 +1030 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <49614DD8.7070707@davidnewall.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090104232534.GB1297917@hiwaay.net>
Chris Adams wrote:
> Once upon a time, David Newall <davidn@davidnewall.com> said:
>
>> No. Exactly the contrary. I'm saying that through use of zoneinfo, for
>> example, no kernel support is required for leap seconds. And! this
>> provides correct results for seconds-between two dates.
>>
>
> Again: zoneinfo provides offset from UTC. Leap seconds are changes in
> UTC itself, not time zones, so zoneinfo can't handle that.
>
Yes, but zoneinfo ALSO provides support for leap seconds. Do read man
zic for specific details.
> Please go read Google, Wikipedia, and NTP lists.
I think you particularly mean NTP. I think your reasoning is that
because NTP's timestamp doesn't include leap seconds, and because we all
like to use NTP to synchronise our clocks, Linux has to make up the
difference. But there is an alternative; which is for the NTP client to
insert those missing leap seconds, which number it can get from
zoneinfo. Epoch remains the start of 1978; seconds between any two
dates included leap-seconds and no special kernel support is required.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-01-05 0:01 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 109+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-01-02 19:25 Bug: Status/Summary of slashdot leap-second crash on new years 2008-2009 Linas Vepstas
2009-01-02 20:04 ` Diego Calleja
2009-01-02 20:25 ` Robert Hancock
2009-01-03 6:32 ` David Newall
2009-01-03 6:37 ` Ben Goodger
2009-01-04 8:43 ` David Newall
2009-01-04 9:00 ` Kyle Moffett
2009-01-04 10:03 ` David Newall
2009-01-04 11:13 ` david
2009-01-04 23:15 ` David Newall
2009-01-04 23:25 ` Chris Adams
2009-01-05 0:01 ` David Newall [this message]
2009-01-05 0:41 ` Alan Cox
2009-01-05 8:43 ` David Newall
2009-01-05 19:47 ` Alan Cox
2009-01-05 0:29 ` david
2009-01-04 23:37 ` David Newall
2009-01-05 1:05 ` david
2009-01-05 0:14 ` David Newall
2009-01-05 0:21 ` Ben Goodger
2009-01-05 6:34 ` David Newall
2009-01-05 23:03 ` Linas Vepstas
2009-01-05 0:44 ` Alan Cox
2009-01-05 5:48 ` Linas Vepstas
2009-01-05 14:33 ` Nick Andrew
2009-01-05 16:08 ` Linas Vepstas
2009-01-05 17:51 ` david
2009-01-05 17:42 ` Linas Vepstas
2009-01-06 2:27 ` john stultz-lkml
2009-01-06 4:53 ` Linas Vepstas
2009-01-06 5:00 ` Linas Vepstas
2009-01-06 19:40 ` [ntpwg] " M. Warner Losh
2009-01-06 19:50 ` M. Warner Losh
2009-01-07 3:50 ` Danny Mayer
2009-01-07 4:52 ` Linas Vepstas
2009-01-07 10:03 ` David Newall
2009-01-07 17:24 ` M. Warner Losh
2009-01-08 16:51 ` Magnus Danielson
2009-01-07 14:34 ` Danny Mayer
2009-01-07 15:42 ` Linas Vepstas
2009-01-07 19:23 ` Danny Mayer
2009-01-07 16:04 ` john stultz
2009-01-07 17:36 ` M. Warner Losh
2009-01-07 17:39 ` M. Warner Losh
2009-01-07 19:31 ` Alan Cox
2009-01-07 19:42 ` M. Warner Losh
2009-01-08 3:57 ` Danny Mayer
2009-01-08 4:42 ` M. Warner Losh
2009-01-08 10:48 ` Alan Cox
2009-01-08 10:56 ` Alan Cox
2009-01-08 22:22 ` David Mills
2009-01-08 15:02 ` M. Warner Losh
2009-01-08 18:57 ` Marshall Eubanks
2009-01-08 20:09 ` Steve Allen
2009-01-12 16:11 ` Pavel Machek
2009-01-12 17:07 ` [ntpwg] " M. Warner Losh
2009-01-12 21:45 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2009-01-06 2:31 ` Nick Andrew
2009-01-06 1:59 ` David Newall
2009-01-06 2:18 ` Chris Adams
2009-01-06 2:51 ` Nick Andrew
2009-01-06 9:40 ` Alan Cox
2009-01-07 1:17 ` Nick Andrew
2009-01-07 9:37 ` Alan Cox
2009-01-07 9:46 ` David Newall
2009-01-07 9:54 ` Alan Cox
2009-01-07 10:18 ` David Newall
2009-01-07 10:52 ` Alan Cox
2009-01-07 13:45 ` David Newall
2009-01-07 14:10 ` Alan Cox
2009-01-07 14:36 ` David Newall
2009-01-07 15:40 ` Alan Cox
2009-01-10 9:46 ` David Newall
2009-01-07 22:13 ` Chris Adams
2009-01-07 13:33 ` Chris Adams
2009-01-07 13:37 ` Alan Cox
2009-01-07 14:12 ` David Newall
2009-01-07 14:09 ` David Newall
2009-01-07 21:42 ` Chris Adams
2009-01-04 11:35 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2009-01-05 0:08 ` David Newall
2009-01-06 3:53 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2009-01-04 17:20 ` Kyle Moffett
2009-01-03 7:00 ` Chris Adams
2009-01-04 8:41 ` David Newall
2009-01-02 20:29 ` Linas Vepstas
[not found] ` <8752a8760901021328t545a0327v58faebe1e921680a@mail.gmail.com>
2009-01-02 21:29 ` Ben Goodger
2009-01-03 0:21 ` Chris Adams
2009-01-03 2:23 ` Duane Griffin
2009-01-03 3:45 ` Linas Vepstas
2009-01-03 4:41 ` [PATCH] " Chris Adams
2009-01-03 4:52 ` Duane Griffin
2009-01-03 18:01 ` [PATCH] v2 " Chris Adams
2009-01-03 19:04 ` Duane Griffin
2009-01-03 20:01 ` Linas Vepstas
2009-06-08 2:18 ` Ben Hutchings
2009-06-18 22:34 ` Chris Friesen
2009-06-18 22:58 ` Ben Hutchings
2009-06-18 23:48 ` Chris Friesen
2009-01-06 2:21 ` john stultz-lkml
2009-01-06 2:25 ` Chris Adams
2009-01-06 4:35 ` Linas Vepstas
2009-01-03 3:49 ` Linas Vepstas
2009-01-03 4:02 ` Ben Goodger
2009-01-03 4:46 ` Duane Griffin
2009-01-03 4:50 ` Ben Goodger
2009-01-03 22:58 ` Jeffrey J. Kosowsky
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2009-01-04 16:15 ` Sitsofe Wheeler
2009-01-04 17:26 ` Kyle Moffett
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