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From: Bill Davidsen <davidsen@tmr.com>
To: Evgeniy Polyakov <zbr@ioremap.net>
Cc: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: Linux killed Kenny, bastard!
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 18:00:10 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <496BCB7A.2010804@tmr.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090112162938.GA22647@ioremap.net>

Evgeniy Polyakov wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 04:19:31PM +0000, Alan Cox (alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk) wrote:
>>> Yes, it could be done. If inotify will not be killed itself, will be
>>> enabled in the config and daemon will be started.
>>> But right now there is no way to solve that task, in the long term this
>>> is a good idea to implement modulo security problems it may concern.
>> It is perfectly soluble right now, use the existing /proc interface. If
>> you want to specifically victimise new tasks first then set everything
>> else with an adjust *against* being killed and new stuff will start off
>> as cannon fodder until classified.
>>
>> The name approach is the wrong way to handle this. It has no reflection
>> of heirarchy of process, targetting by users, containers etc.. 
>>
>> In fact containers are probably the right way to do it
> 
> Containers to solve oom-killer selection problem? :)
> 
> Being more serious, I agree that having a simple name does not solve the
> problem if observed from any angle, but it is not the main goal.
> Patch solves oom-killer selection issue from likely the most commonly
> used case: when you know who should be checked and killed first when
> problem appears.
> 
The only cases in which this would really be useful is when running some 
software which once in a great while goes super prompt critical and starts 
throwing processes of a known name format in all directions, or when you have a 
problem and know the process names involved before OOM kills everything in sight.

This does have a strange attraction, I did save the patch in case another "every 
few years" problem comes up.

-- 
Bill Davidsen <davidsen@tmr.com>
   "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from
the machinations of the wicked."  - from Slashdot

  reply	other threads:[~2009-01-12 23:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 77+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-01-12 15:33 Linux killed Kenny, bastard! Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-01-12 15:44 ` Dave Jones
2009-01-12 15:48   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-01-12 15:51     ` Alan Cox
2009-01-12 15:52       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-01-12 21:29         ` Chris Snook
2009-01-12 21:42           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-01-13 13:52       ` [why oom_adj does not work] " Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-01-13 14:06         ` Alan Cox
2009-01-13 14:24           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-01-13 15:00             ` Balbir Singh
2009-01-13 15:21               ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-01-13 18:04                 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2009-01-13 19:46                 ` David Rientjes
2009-01-13 21:33                   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-01-13 21:39                     ` David Rientjes
2009-01-13 22:05                       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-01-14 16:12                       ` OOM documentation update [was: Linux killed Kenny, bastard!] Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-01-14 17:06                         ` [take2] " Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-01-14 21:34                           ` Randy Dunlap
2009-01-14 21:53                           ` Bryan Donlan
2009-01-14 22:10                             ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-01-14 22:14                             ` [take3] " Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-01-15  0:58                               ` David Rientjes
2009-01-15  8:51                                 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-01-15  8:57                                 ` [take4] " Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-01-15 11:13                                   ` David Rientjes
2009-01-12 15:49 ` Linux killed Kenny, bastard! Alan Cox
2009-01-12 15:50   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-01-12 15:52     ` Alan Cox
2009-01-12 15:56       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-01-12 16:19         ` Alan Cox
2009-01-12 16:29           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-01-12 23:00             ` Bill Davidsen [this message]
2009-01-12 23:17               ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-01-13  1:53                 ` David Rientjes
2009-01-13  8:52                   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-01-13  9:54                     ` David Rientjes
2009-01-13 11:54                       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-01-13 12:15                         ` Alan Cox
2009-01-13 12:29                           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-01-13 13:19                             ` Theodore Tso
2009-01-13 13:35                               ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-01-14  0:24                                 ` Bill Davidsen
2009-01-14  0:35                                   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-01-13 13:47                               ` Alan Cox
2009-01-13 19:36                             ` David Rientjes
2009-01-13 21:46                               ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-01-13 22:49                                 ` Theodore Tso
2009-01-13 23:02                                   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-01-14  1:11                                     ` Theodore Tso
2009-01-14  1:20                                       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-01-14  4:06                                         ` Theodore Tso
2009-01-13 23:10                                 ` David Rientjes
2009-01-13 23:35                                   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-01-13 23:43                                     ` David Rientjes
2009-01-13 23:55                                       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-01-14  0:32                                         ` David Rientjes
2009-01-14  0:53                                           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-01-14  4:23                                     ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2009-01-14  9:07                                       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-01-13 19:15                         ` David Rientjes
2009-01-13 22:00                           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-01-13 23:26                         ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2009-01-13 23:36                           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-01-13 13:41                       ` Jan-Frode Myklebust
2009-01-13 13:59                         ` Alan Cox
2009-01-12 16:22         ` Dave Jones
2009-01-12 16:28           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-01-13 16:35 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-01-13 22:04   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2009-01-13 10:58 Tomasz Chmielewski
2009-01-13 12:20 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
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     [not found]                   ` <bTZjb-62D-25@gated-at.bofh.it>
2009-01-17 15:21                     ` Bodo Eggert
2009-01-17 15:41                       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-01-18 12:49                         ` Bodo Eggert
2009-01-18 13:17                           ` Evgeniy Polyakov

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