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From: Jussi Laako <jussi@sonarnerd.net>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH] Multimedia scheduling class
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 11:44:52 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <496C6294.2040707@sonarnerd.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1231756114.19771.6.camel@laptop>

Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> 
> Well, that's not my problem is it ;-), just batter them with a
> clue-stick, no need to fudge the kernel for that.

Sure, been doing that already... :)
There's just sort of a huge gap between rt-schedulers and the normal
scheduler.

> Right, which is where deadline scheduling would be nice. Once you start
> running into the budget throttle you know you've got to start dropping
> frames in order to keep up.
> 
> The proposal is for it to start sending SIGXCPU once it starts
> throttling tasks in order to notify them of missed deadlines etc.

For sure this is nice for certain tasks. I'm not entirely convinced if
the average media player or Flash-plugin would or should start using these.

I believe both approaches could co-exist to address different needs.
SCHED_MM is for the average software and is in a sense similar to
SCHED_BATCH and SCHED_IDLE, just targeting different use cases.
Modification is reasonably small and shouldn't have any impact when not
used. Deadline scheduler would probably belong to the
SCHED_RR/SCHED_FIFO family?

> Like said, deadline schedulers can help here. You can even dynamically
> adjust the parameters -- eg. fall back to half frame rate but double
> budget or something.

Managing the budget in an average system will be painful. In a
completely embedded environment this is of course rather straightforward.

  reply	other threads:[~2009-01-13  9:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-12-29 18:40 [RFC][PATCH] Multimedia scheduling class Jussi Laako
2008-12-30  7:42 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-12-30  8:39   ` Jussi Laako
2009-01-12  9:55     ` Jussi Laako
2009-01-12 10:28     ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-01-13  9:44       ` Jussi Laako [this message]
2009-01-17 12:49         ` James Courtier-Dutton
2009-01-25 23:09           ` Jussi Laako
2009-01-26  7:25             ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-11  8:22               ` [RFC][PATCH] Multimedia scheduling class, take 2 Jussi Laako
2009-05-12  5:38                 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2009-05-12  5:57                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-12  9:53                   ` Jussi Laako
2009-05-12 15:32                     ` Chris Friesen
2009-05-12 16:34                       ` Jussi Laako
2009-05-12 16:45                         ` Raistlin
2009-05-12 17:38                           ` Jussi Laako
2009-05-12 17:55                           ` Jussi Laako
2009-05-12 17:00                         ` Chris Friesen
2009-05-12 17:53                           ` Jussi Laako
2009-05-12 23:04                             ` Chris Friesen
2009-05-13  6:36                               ` Jussi Laako
2009-05-12 10:07                   ` Jussi Laako
2009-05-12 11:19                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-12 12:12                       ` Jussi Laako
2009-05-12  9:40                 ` Henrik Austad

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