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From: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Sam Ravnborg <sam@ravnborg.org>,
	Jaswinder Singh Rajput <jaswinderrajput@gmail.com>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>
Subject: Re: [mingo@elte.hu: [git pull] headers_check fixes]
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 17:02:15 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <497FAE97.6020703@zytor.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.00.0901271616130.3123@localhost.localdomain>

Linus Torvalds wrote:
>>>
>> This is probably true.  I think we should add this as one more of the
>> preprocessing rules which we really should just do, as well as automatic
>> mangling of integer types.
> 
> Btw, the really scary thing is that I bet there are programs out there 
> that "know" about kernel internals, and do things like
> 
> 	#define CONFIG_SMP 1
> 	#define __KERNEL__ 1
> 	#include <asm/atomic.h>
> 
> in order to get the atomic helpers from the kernel, and using CONFIG_xyz 
> markers to force the exact version they want.
> 
> And we will inevitably always end up breaking stuff like that. Nothing we 
> can do about it - in the end, users can do infinitely odd things and know 
> about our internals, and whatever changes we do will occasionally break 
> some of the more incestuous code.
> 

Yes, that's just PEBKAC.

	-hpa


  reply	other threads:[~2009-01-28  1:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20090127222825.GA27097@elte.hu>
2009-01-27 22:57 ` [mingo@elte.hu: [git pull] headers_check fixes] Linus Torvalds
2009-01-27 23:22   ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-01-27 23:29     ` Linus Torvalds
2009-01-28  0:12       ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-01-28  0:19         ` Linus Torvalds
2009-01-28  1:02           ` H. Peter Anvin [this message]
2009-01-27 23:31   ` Ingo Molnar
2009-01-27 23:43     ` Linus Torvalds
2009-01-27 23:51     ` Vegard Nossum
2009-01-30 14:01     ` Jaswinder Singh Rajput
2009-01-30 18:20       ` Ingo Molnar
2009-01-28  0:03   ` Harvey Harrison
2009-01-28  1:36   ` Jaswinder Singh Rajput
2009-01-28 12:37     ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-01-28 17:48       ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-01-28 19:22         ` Harvey Harrison
2009-01-28 19:44           ` Linus Torvalds
2009-01-28 20:03             ` Harvey Harrison
2009-01-28 21:25               ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-01-28 21:58                 ` [PATCH] x86: do not expose CONFIG_BSWAP to userspace Harvey Harrison
2009-01-28 22:13                   ` Linus Torvalds
2009-01-28 22:40                     ` Harvey Harrison
2009-01-30 20:37                       ` Pavel Machek
2009-01-28 22:15                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-01-28 22:38                     ` Harvey Harrison
2009-01-28 23:04                       ` Ben Pfaff
2009-01-30 18:20                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-01-28 23:27                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-01-28 23:36                         ` Harvey Harrison
2009-01-28 23:47                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-02-03 18:19                             ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-01-31 18:43                       ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2009-01-31 20:24                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-01-28 23:24                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-01-28 23:30                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-01-28 20:49             ` [mingo@elte.hu: [git pull] headers_check fixes] Sam Ravnborg
2009-01-28 21:23           ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-01-28 21:06   ` Sam Ravnborg

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