From: Jeff Garzik <jeff@garzik.org>
To: Theodore Tso <tytso@mit.edu>, Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>,
Eric Sandeen <sandeen@redhat.com>, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
Fernando Luis V?zquez Cao <fernando@oss.ntt.co.jp>,
Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
kernel list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com>,
fernando@kic.ac.jp, Ric Wheeler <rwheeler@redhat.com>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: vfs: Add MS_FLUSHONFSYNC mount flag
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 18:42:11 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <49A1E2D3.9000304@garzik.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090222231914.GI17066@mit.edu>
Theodore Tso wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 03:15:33PM +0100, Pavel Machek wrote:
>> Sounds like posix violation to
>> me... '/sys/fsync_does_not_really_sync'?
>
> It's as much a Posix violation as noatime. :-)
>
>> Perhaps it is better done at glibc level? Environment variables
>> already mostly have semantics you want.....
>
> Environment variables own't allow us to switch fsync's on and off
> while the process is running, so that the system can run "safe" while
> it is on AC mains, but "low power" when on battery.
Overall, for each filesystem, we really should _default_ to a safe mode
where fsync(2), fdatasync(2), sync_file_range(2) and transaction commits
are guaranteed to be committed to stable storage -- i.e. SYNC CACHE /
FLUSH CACHE, a forced unit access (FUA) bit, or guarantee that the
underlying storage has disabled write-back caching.
Correctness should come before performance. Linux has not had
credibility here, in the ATA+ext[23] space at least, and it is embarrassing.
Modern SATA and SCSI disks can do tagged command queueing with the FUA
bit, which does a lot to mitigate the performance loss seen with a less
capable "FLUSH CACHE + barrier" setup.
Jeff
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-02-22 23:42 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 73+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-01-13 13:14 ext2 + -osync: not as easy as it seems Pavel Machek
2009-01-13 13:45 ` Alan Cox
2009-01-13 14:03 ` Theodore Tso
2009-01-13 14:07 ` Jens Axboe
2009-01-13 14:26 ` [PATCH] block: Fix documentation for blkdev_issue_flush() Theodore Ts'o
2009-01-13 14:28 ` Jens Axboe
2009-01-13 14:30 ` ext2 + -osync: not as easy as it seems Jan Kara
2009-01-13 14:46 ` Theodore Tso
2009-01-14 3:37 ` Fernando Luis Vázquez Cao
2009-01-14 10:35 ` Jan Kara
2009-01-14 13:21 ` Theodore Tso
2009-01-14 14:05 ` Jan Kara
2009-01-14 14:08 ` Jens Axboe
2009-01-14 14:34 ` Theodore Tso
2009-01-14 14:43 ` Jens Axboe
2009-02-12 16:43 ` Eric Sandeen
2009-02-16 12:09 ` Jens Axboe
2009-01-14 14:12 ` Theodore Tso
2009-01-14 14:37 ` Jan Kara
2009-01-14 16:59 ` Theodore Tso
2009-01-15 12:06 ` Fernando Luis Vázquez Cao
2009-01-15 23:45 ` Jan Kara
2009-01-16 12:31 ` Fernando Luis Vázquez Cao
2009-01-16 13:55 ` ext3: call blkdev_issue_flush on fsync Fernando Luis Vázquez Cao
2009-01-16 16:30 ` Jan Kara
2009-01-17 9:47 ` Fernando Luis Vázquez Cao
2009-01-17 10:00 ` Fernando Luis Vázquez Cao
2009-01-19 12:03 ` Jan Kara
2009-01-28 9:45 ` Fernando Luis Vázquez Cao
2009-01-28 9:55 ` Jan Kara
2009-02-12 10:33 ` Fernando Luis Vázquez Cao
2009-02-12 10:35 ` vfs: Improve readability off mount flag definitins by using offsets Fernando Luis Vázquez Cao
2009-02-12 10:36 ` vfs: Add MS_FLUSHONFSYNC mount flag Fernando Luis Vázquez Cao
2009-02-12 17:13 ` Eric Sandeen
2009-02-12 17:29 ` Jeff Garzik
2009-02-14 15:36 ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-02-15 7:23 ` Fernando Luis Vázquez Cao
2009-02-15 22:54 ` Theodore Tso
2009-02-16 4:29 ` Eric Sandeen
2009-02-16 7:47 ` Fernando Luis Vázquez Cao
2009-02-12 21:23 ` Jan Kara
2009-02-12 21:30 ` Eric Sandeen
2009-02-13 1:47 ` Fernando Luis Vázquez Cao
2009-02-13 6:07 ` Eric Sandeen
2009-02-13 2:23 ` Theodore Tso
2009-02-22 14:15 ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-22 20:51 ` Eric Sandeen
2009-02-22 23:19 ` Theodore Tso
2009-02-22 23:42 ` Jeff Garzik [this message]
2009-02-22 23:46 ` Jeff Garzik
2009-02-23 1:23 ` Theodore Tso
2009-02-13 1:14 ` Fernando Luis Vázquez Cao
2009-02-13 6:20 ` Eric Sandeen
2009-02-13 10:36 ` Fernando Luis Vázquez Cao
2009-02-13 12:20 ` Dave Chinner
2009-02-13 16:29 ` Fernando Luis Vazquez Cao
2009-02-14 11:24 ` Dave Chinner
2009-02-14 13:03 ` Fernando Luis Vázquez Cao
2009-02-14 13:19 ` Fernando Luis Vázquez Cao
2009-02-15 2:48 ` Dave Chinner
2009-02-15 7:11 ` Fernando Luis Vázquez Cao
2009-02-12 10:37 ` util-linux: Add new mount options flushonfsync and noflushonfsync to mount Fernando Luis Vázquez Cao
2009-02-12 10:38 ` util-linux: Add explanation for new mount options flushonfsync and noflushonfsync to mount(8) man page Fernando Luis Vázquez Cao
2009-02-12 10:38 ` block: Add block_flush_device() Fernando Luis Vázquez Cao
2009-02-12 10:39 ` ext3: call blkdev_issue_flush on fsync Fernando Luis Vázquez Cao
2009-02-12 10:40 ` ext4: " Fernando Luis Vázquez Cao
2009-02-15 22:46 ` Theodore Tso
2009-02-16 7:09 ` Fernando Luis Vázquez Cao
2009-02-16 7:25 ` [PATCH 1/3] block: Add block_flush_device() Fernando Luis Vázquez Cao
2009-02-16 7:29 ` [2/3] ext3: call block_flush_device() on fsync Fernando Luis Vázquez Cao
2009-02-16 7:31 ` [PATCH 3/3] ext4: " Fernando Luis Vázquez Cao
2009-01-16 13:59 ` ext4: call blkdev_issue_flush " Fernando Luis Vázquez Cao
2009-01-13 14:42 ` ext2 + -osync: not as easy as it seems Pavel Machek
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