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From: Timur Tabi <timur@freescale.com>
To: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, rdreier@cisco.com,
	jirislaby@gmail.com, peterz@infradead.org, will.newton@gmail.com,
	hancockrwd@gmail.com, jeremy@goop.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4] introduce macro spin_event_timeout()
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 10:50:15 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <49B68C37.8010803@freescale.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090310153537.5fd5d84d@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>

Alan Cox wrote:

> NAK this - on a lot of platforms 1uS is the wrong timescale. Also we
> shouldn't be encouraging this kind of polling by making it very easy to
> write.

Well, I can agree that the time scale might be wrong on some platforms.
  The original version of spin_event_timeout() used jiffies, but some
people said that a jiffy is too long of a timescale, so I changed it to
udelay.

However, I disagree about the encouragement part.  Polling a register
until a status bit changes is a common task that cannot be handled any
other way.  If the status bit change does not generate an interrupt, but
the wait for the change takes a few microseconds, what else are you
going to do?

The way I see it, I'm just extending the idea behind cpu_relax().  Just
doing a search for cpu_relax shows dozens, maybe hundreds, of drivers
doing stuff like this:

	while((inb(ioaddr+DAYNA_CARD_STATUS)&DAYNA_TX_READY)==0)
		cpu_relax();

This code doesn't even have a timeout!  In fact, I'd say that at least
90% of all uses of cpu_relax() are in a while loop reading some register
without a timeout.

Ironically, in the situations where there is a timeout, the drivers use
jiffies, not a delay.

Frankly, I just don't see how spin_event_timeout() is not an improvement
 over the current code that drivers use.

-- 
Timur Tabi
Linux kernel developer at Freescale

  reply	other threads:[~2009-03-10 15:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-03-10 15:30 [PATCH v4] introduce macro spin_event_timeout() Timur Tabi
2009-03-10 15:35 ` Alan Cox
2009-03-10 15:50   ` Timur Tabi [this message]
2009-03-10 16:05     ` Will Newton
2009-03-10 16:11       ` Timur Tabi
2009-03-11  0:01   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-03-11  0:37     ` Alan Cox
2009-03-11 16:48       ` Timur Tabi
2009-03-11 16:58         ` Alan Cox
2009-03-11 18:18           ` Timur Tabi
2009-03-11 21:58             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-03-12  2:45               ` Grant Likely
2009-03-12 15:54                 ` Timur Tabi
2009-03-12 16:01                   ` Grant Likely
2009-03-12 16:19                     ` Timur Tabi
2009-03-12 16:50                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-03-12 19:05                         ` Timur Tabi
2009-03-13  3:03                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-03-13  4:51                             ` Grant Likely
2009-03-10 18:41 ` Grant Likely
2009-03-10 19:04   ` Timur Tabi

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