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From: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
To: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>, LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@linux.intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/13] convert voyager over to the x86 quirks model
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 10:26:04 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <49B7F42C.40006@zytor.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1236786082.3270.20.camel@localhost.localdomain>

James Bottomley wrote:
> 
> That goes for a huge number of drivers we have in the kernel currently,
> and several whole architectures, so it's not a barrier to keeping
> something maintained.
> 
>> nobody but you uses development kernels on it,
> 
> I don't think we've ever had a problem with a downstream community being
> supported by a single upstream developer.
> 

What "downstream community"?  There is none, and you know it.

That is the whole point.  Voyager isn't just a driver -- it's an
odd-man-out variant of the most used architecture in the world.  If it
was just a driver, it would make sense.  However, its very existence
forces constraints on the upstream x86 architecture, and it imposes a
real and considerable workload on the upstream maintainers -- and that
is not you, but on us.  When that happens with drivers for obsolete
hardware, we remove them.

Hence, Ingo rather logically asks you to justify this impact on our
workload.  I would like to know as well.  I'm personally sick of the
extra overhead this museum piece imposes.

	-hpa

-- 
H. Peter Anvin, Intel Open Source Technology Center
I work for Intel.  I don't speak on their behalf.


  reply	other threads:[~2009-03-11 17:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-03-08 16:48 [PATCH 00/13] convert voyager over to the x86 quirks model James Bottomley
2009-03-08 16:48 ` [PATCH 01/13] [VOYAGER] x86: add {safe,hard}_smp_processor_id to smp_ops James Bottomley
2009-03-08 16:48   ` [PATCH 02/13] [VOYAGER] x86/mca: make mca_nmi_hook external James Bottomley
2009-03-08 16:48     ` [PATCH 03/13] [VOYAGER] x86: add prefill_possible_map to x86_quirks James Bottomley
2009-03-08 16:48       ` [PATCH 04/13] [VOYAGER] x86: use boot_cpu_id instead of zero for checking boot processor James Bottomley
2009-03-08 16:48         ` [PATCH 05/13] [VOYAGER] x86/voyager: Move voyager detection to a new bootparam area James Bottomley
2009-03-08 16:48           ` [PATCH 06/13] [VOYAGER] x86: eliminate subarchitecture file setup_arch.h James Bottomley
2009-03-08 16:48             ` [PATCH 07/13] [VOYAGER] x86: eliminate subarchitecture file entry_arch.h James Bottomley
2009-03-08 16:48               ` [PATCH 08/13] [VOYAGER] x86: eliminate subarchitecture file do_timer.h James Bottomley
2009-03-08 16:48                 ` [PATCH 09/13] [VOYAGER] x86: redo irq2 cascade setup James Bottomley
2009-03-08 16:48                   ` [PATCH 10/13] [VOYAGER] x86: make disabling the apics functional instead of a flag James Bottomley
2009-03-08 16:48                     ` [PATCH 11/13] [VOYAGER] x86/Voyager: add missing QIC call function single gate James Bottomley
2009-03-08 16:48                       ` [PATCH 12/13] [VOYAGER] x86/Voyager: replace inline io area reads with readX accessors James Bottomley
2009-03-08 16:48                         ` [PATCH 13/13] [VOYAGER] x86/Voyager: Plumb voyager back into the build James Bottomley
2009-03-08 17:15   ` [PATCH 01/13] [VOYAGER] x86: add {safe,hard}_smp_processor_id to smp_ops Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-08 17:23     ` James Bottomley
2009-03-09 20:54 ` [PATCH 00/13] convert voyager over to the x86 quirks model Sam Ravnborg
2009-03-10 21:58 ` Yinghai Lu
2009-03-10 22:02   ` James Bottomley
2009-03-10 22:37 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-03-11 15:41   ` James Bottomley
2009-03-11 17:26     ` H. Peter Anvin [this message]
2009-03-11 18:53       ` James Bottomley
2009-03-11 22:55     ` Ingo Molnar

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