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From: Mark Lord <lkml@rtr.ca>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Ray Lee <ray-lk@madrabbit.org>, Hua Zhong <hzhong@gmail.com>,
	Theodore Tso <tytso@mit.edu>, Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/8][RFC] IO latency/throughput fixes
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2009 15:24:47 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <49DBA87F.6070501@rtr.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.00.0904070727260.4010@localhost.localdomain>

Linus Torvalds wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 7 Apr 2009, Mark Lord wrote:
>> What happens with ext3 "writeback", and ext4 "whatever",
>> when one does the quickie reboot method:
>>
>>   ALT-SYSRQ-S ALT-SYSRQ-U ALT-SYSRQ-S ALT-SYSRQ-B
>>
>> ???
> 
> Since 's' syncs (I think 'u' does too, as part of making things 
> read-only), the data blocks will be on disk after the boot regardless of 
> any other ordering.
..

I was thinking more about delayed allocation in ext4, though.
If it hasn't allocated the blocks, then sync() has nothing to write out.
Or do they have hooks into the block layer to force alloc/commit when
somebody does a sync() ??

> Of course, it will leave all your lock-files files alone, and I can almost 
> guarantee that some daemons (read: "NetworkManager") will then fail on the 
> next boot because they think they are already running.
..

No, it behaves fine on reboot here.  But actually, NM is one big reason
why I end up having to use the ALT-SYSRQ-S/U/S/B.

The Ubunutu reboot scripts seem broken at times w.r.t. NM --
it hangs the reboot sequence on some of my machines here
for a very long time (during shutdown), because (I think)
the scripts disable the interface before disabling NM..  Doh!

Seems happy enough after rebooting though.

Cheers

  reply	other threads:[~2009-04-07 19:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-04-06 12:48 [PATCH 0/8][RFC] IO latency/throughput fixes Jens Axboe
2009-04-06 12:48 ` [PATCH 1/8] block: change the request allocation/congestion logic to be sync/async based Jens Axboe
2009-04-06 12:48 ` [PATCH 2/8] Add WRITE_SYNC_PLUG and SWRITE_SYNC_PLUG Jens Axboe
2009-04-06 12:48 ` [PATCH 3/8] block: fsync_buffers_list() should use SWRITE_SYNC_PLUG Jens Axboe
2009-04-06 12:48 ` [PATCH 4/8] jbd: use WRITE_SYNC_PLUG instead of WRITE_SYNC Jens Axboe
2009-04-06 12:48 ` [PATCH 5/8] jbd2: " Jens Axboe
2009-04-06 12:48 ` [PATCH 6/8] block: enabling plugging on SSD devices that don't do queuing Jens Axboe
2009-04-06 12:48 ` [PATCH 7/8] block: Add flag for telling the IO schedulers NOT to anticipate more IO Jens Axboe
2009-04-06 12:48 ` [PATCH 8/8] block: switch sync_dirty_buffer() over to WRITE_SYNC Jens Axboe
2009-04-06 13:04 ` [PATCH 0/8][RFC] IO latency/throughput fixes Jens Axboe
2009-04-06 13:13   ` Jens Axboe
2009-04-06 15:37   ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-06 16:57     ` Jens Axboe
2009-04-07  3:28     ` Chris Mason
2009-04-06 15:04 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-06 15:10   ` Jens Axboe
2009-04-06 15:45     ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-06 17:01       ` Jens Axboe
2009-04-06 18:31       ` Theodore Tso
2009-04-06 19:57         ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-06 20:10           ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-06 21:26             ` Theodore Tso
2009-04-06 20:12           ` Hua Zhong
2009-04-06 20:20             ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-06 21:19             ` Theodore Tso
2009-04-06 21:35               ` Hua Zhong
2009-04-06 22:04                 ` Ray Lee
2009-04-06 22:17                   ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-06 23:10                     ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-07  7:51                       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2009-04-07 10:36                         ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-07 14:10                           ` Diego Calleja
2009-04-08 12:04                             ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-08 12:56                           ` Denys Vlasenko
2009-04-08 13:27                             ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-07 13:35                       ` Mark Lord
2009-04-07 14:33                         ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-07 19:24                           ` Mark Lord [this message]
2009-04-07 19:45                             ` Jeff Garzik
2009-04-07 20:53                           ` Mike Galbraith
2009-04-09  2:40                       ` Eric Sandeen
2009-04-09 14:01                         ` Ric Wheeler
2009-04-06 22:25                   ` Hua Zhong
2009-04-06 22:48                     ` Ray Lee
2009-04-06 22:52                       ` Hua Zhong
2009-04-06 23:19                       ` Alan Cox
2009-04-07  3:52               ` Chris Mason
2009-04-07  4:13                 ` Trenton D. Adams
2009-04-07  4:27                   ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-07  4:48                     ` Trenton D. Adams
2009-04-07  5:02                       ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-07  5:23                         ` Hua Zhong
2009-04-07  6:27                         ` Trenton D. Adams

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