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From: Mark Lord <lkml@rtr.ca>
To: Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>
Cc: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>, Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>,
	Jeff Garzik <jeff@garzik.org>,
	Linux USB kernel mailing list <linux-usb@vger.kernel.org>,
	Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>
Subject: Re: USB storage no-boot regression (bisected)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 09:49:26 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <49E73766.9090205@rtr.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090416063401.32ced22a@infradead.org>

Arjan van de Ven wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Apr 2009 11:51:53 +0100
> Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> wrote:
> 
>>>> Though it's an onboard USB SSD, not a pluggable stick.
>>> Wow, that's insane.  Leave it to a hardware designer to use a bus
>>> that you never know if you have discovered all the devices to be
>>> the primary device to boot from.
>> Let me see:
>>
>> - Standardised small component
>> - Low pin count and low wire count bus
>> - Cheap
>>
>> In an embedded environment where you know the device is wired in at
>> software level that strikes me not as insane but very sensible.
> 
> I'm not surprised usb is used for storage. What I am surprised at is
> that USB is used in such high end environments that rootwait is not
> sufficient and that the panic-rebooter is needed for the reliability.
..

Failover and redundancy are standard requirements for really reliable systems.
As good as a component may be, there's always anticipation that it will fail
someday, and multiple ways of detecting/overcoming failures must be built-in.

In this case, imagine *two* such SSDs.

  reply	other threads:[~2009-04-16 13:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-04-14 21:06 USB storage no-boot regression (bisected) Jeff Garzik
2009-04-15  1:38 ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-04-15  2:30   ` Jeff Garzik
2009-04-15  2:44     ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-04-15  2:48       ` Jeff Garzik
2009-04-15  3:09         ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-04-15  8:40     ` Alan Cox
2009-04-15  1:49 ` Greg KH
2009-04-15  2:35   ` Jeff Garzik
2009-04-15  2:46     ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-04-15  5:09     ` Greg KH
2009-04-15 13:46       ` Jeff Garzik
2009-04-15 14:25       ` Mark Lord
2009-04-15 14:30         ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-04-15 15:37           ` Mark Lord
2009-04-15 19:58             ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-04-15 21:55               ` Mark Lord
2009-04-16  1:32                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-04-16  2:14                   ` Mark Lord
2009-04-16  2:54                     ` Greg KH
2009-04-16 10:51                       ` Alan Cox
2009-04-16 13:34                         ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-04-16 13:49                           ` Mark Lord [this message]
2009-04-16  2:17                   ` Hal Murray
2009-04-16  3:42                   ` Jeff Garzik
2009-04-15 15:01         ` Alan Cox
2009-04-15 15:47           ` Alan Stern
2009-04-15 15:49             ` Mark Lord
2009-04-15 17:06               ` VomLehn
2009-04-15 17:32                 ` Alan Cox
2009-04-15 20:06                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-04-15 20:20                     ` VomLehn

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