From: Michael Riepe <michael.riepe@googlemail.com>
To: Kay Sievers <kay.sievers@vrfy.org>
Cc: Lars Marowsky-Bree <lmb@suse.de>,
Alan Jenkins <sourcejedi.lkml@googlemail.com>,
Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>, Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Jan Blunck <jblunck@suse.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] driver-core: devtmpfs - driver core maintained /dev tmpfs
Date: Mon, 04 May 2009 20:55:34 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <49FF3A26.3030407@googlemail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ac3eb2510905041113x58bdb807od7dd4a6ce258e317@mail.gmail.com>
Kay Sievers wrote:
> On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 19:54, Michael Riepe
> <michael.riepe@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>>>The problem is not the missing events, they could be pretty easily
>>>recovered from sysfs with just another special hack to run at bootup -
>>>it's the time it takes to bring up the engine to bootstrap /dev, to
>>>allow us to start any other process which looks for devices. Today,
>>>udev mounts /dev as a tmpfs, and at that point it is obviously empty,
>>>and needs to be filled, and nothing else can reliably run at that
>>>time.
>>
>>And what about mounting /dev from an already populated image? Or, even
>>faster, using the /dev directory of the root fs? That way, the device
>>nodes would be present as soon as / is mounted, without any additional
>>overhead, except the very first time the system boots (in case you
>>choose not to populate /dev with a default set of device nodes in advance).
>
>
> Dynamic device numbers! A static /dev does not work at all for many
> subsystems, not to mention the risk you take by talking to the wrong
> device pointed to, by your incorrect static device nodes. It's not an
> option at all today, and it will get much worse in the future.
Maybe it's just me, but my devices end up being numbered the same after
every reboot. Unless I add or remove devices to/from the system, of course.
Unfortunately, that doesn't mean that it will always stay that way.
--
Michael "Tired" Riepe <michael.riepe@googlemail.com>
X-Tired: Each morning I get up I die a little
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-05-04 18:55 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 79+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-04-30 13:23 [PATCH] driver-core: devtmpfs - driver core maintained /dev tmpfs Kay Sievers
2009-05-01 5:29 ` Andrew Morton
2009-05-01 6:17 ` Greg KH
2009-05-01 6:43 ` Andrew Morton
2009-05-01 6:55 ` Greg KH
2009-05-01 7:03 ` Andrew Morton
2009-05-01 10:52 ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-01 11:38 ` Michael Tokarev
2009-05-01 11:44 ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-01 11:03 ` Alan Cox
2009-05-01 11:11 ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-01 13:18 ` Alan Cox
2009-05-01 13:24 ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-02 7:19 ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-05-02 13:46 ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-02 15:18 ` Andy Lutomirski
2009-05-02 15:35 ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-02 18:20 ` Michael Riepe
2009-05-02 19:55 ` Alan Jenkins
2009-05-02 21:47 ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-04 16:20 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2009-05-04 16:53 ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-04 17:54 ` Michael Riepe
2009-05-04 18:13 ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-04 18:55 ` Michael Riepe [this message]
2009-05-04 19:13 ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-04 19:30 ` Greg KH
2009-05-02 1:24 ` Brian Swetland
2009-05-02 1:48 ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-02 2:02 ` Brian Swetland
2009-05-02 2:28 ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-02 4:42 ` Brian Swetland
2009-05-02 13:30 ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-01 11:01 ` Alan Cox
2009-05-01 11:02 ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-01 11:16 ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-01 19:26 ` Andrew Morton
2009-05-01 21:59 ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-01 22:21 ` Andrew Morton
2009-05-01 6:57 ` Chris Wedgwood
2009-05-01 14:01 ` Greg KH
2009-05-01 15:43 ` Alan Jenkins
2009-05-01 16:04 ` Greg KH
2009-05-01 21:13 ` Alan Jenkins
2009-05-01 15:53 ` Chris Wedgwood
2009-05-01 16:09 ` Greg KH
2009-05-01 16:17 ` Chris Wedgwood
2009-05-01 10:19 ` Alan Jenkins
2009-05-01 11:13 ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-01 12:38 ` Alan Jenkins
2009-05-01 13:12 ` Alan Cox
2009-05-02 15:03 ` Kyle Moffett
2009-05-01 14:55 ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-01 11:41 ` Hugh Dickins
2009-05-01 11:59 ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-02 7:16 ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-05-02 11:34 ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-02 20:22 ` Alan Jenkins
2009-05-02 21:39 ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-02 22:04 ` Alan Jenkins
2009-05-03 7:29 ` Michael Tokarev
2009-05-02 21:41 ` Alan Jenkins
2009-05-02 21:54 ` Greg KH
2009-05-02 21:59 ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-02 16:59 ` Jeff Garzik
2009-05-02 17:57 ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-06 12:56 ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-07 1:41 ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-05-07 2:08 ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-07 2:25 ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-05-07 2:40 ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-14 9:28 ` Pavel Machek
2009-05-07 8:17 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-05-07 9:28 ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-07 14:43 ` Theodore Tso
2009-05-07 15:13 ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-10 0:29 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-05-10 0:56 ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-10 2:11 ` Eric W. Biederman
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