From: Werner Sembach <wse@tuxedocomputers.com>
To: Hans de Goede <hdegoede@redhat.com>, Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>,
Jani Nikula <jani.nikula@linux.intel.com>,
jikos@kernel.org, Jelle van der Waa <jelle@vdwaa.nl>
Cc: Lee Jones <lee@kernel.org>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
"dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org"
<dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org>,
Miguel Ojeda <miguel.ojeda.sandonis@gmail.com>,
linux-input@vger.kernel.org, ojeda@kernel.org,
linux-leds@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Implement per-key keyboard backlight as auxdisplay?
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2023 20:13:44 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <49f12cc1-2dce-43b3-addf-b0fdb7df8fdb@tuxedocomputers.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ac02143c-d417-49e5-9c6e-150cbda71ba7@tuxedocomputers.com>
Hi Hans & the others,
[snip]
> I also stumbled across a new Problem:
>
> We have an upcoming device that has a per-key keyboard backlight, but does the
> control completely via a wmi/acpi interface. So no usable hidraw here for a
> potential userspace driver implementation ...
>
> So a quick summary for the ideas floating in this thread so far:
>
> 1. Expand leds interface allowing arbitrary modes with semi arbitrary optional
> attributes:
>
> - Pro:
>
> - Still offers all default attributes for use with UPower
>
> - Fairly simple to implement from the preexisting codebase
>
> - Could be implemented for all (to me) known internal keyboard backlights
>
> - Con:
>
> - Violates the simplicity paradigm of the leds interface (e.g. with
> this one leds entry controls possible multiple leds)
>
> 2. Implement per-key keyboards as auxdisplay
>
> - Pro:
>
> - Already has a concept for led positions
>
> - Is conceptually closer to "multiple leds forming a singular entity"
>
> - Con:
>
> - No preexisting UPower support
>
> - No concept for special hardware lighting modes
>
> - No support for arbitrary led outlines yet (e.g. ISO style enter-key)
>
> 3. Implement in input subsystem
>
> - Pro:
>
> - Preexisting concept for keys and key purpose
>
> - Con:
>
> - Not in scope for subsystem
>
> - No other preexisting light infrastructure
>
> 4. Implement a simple leds driver only supporting a small subset of the
> capabilities and make it disable-able for a userspace driver to take over
>
> - Pro:
>
> - Most simple to implement basic support
>
> - In scope for led subsystem simplicity paradigm
>
> - Con:
>
> - Not all built in keyboard backlights can be implemented in a
> userspace only driver
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Werner
Just a gentle bump and request for comments again. 4. would be better then
nothing but it is not a universal future proof solution so I'm hesitant to put
work into it even though it would be the simplest driver. I still tend towards
1. as the leds interface already got expanded once with the multicolor stuff.
The only other way I see would be to implement a platform driver with no
standardized api or implement a complete new api/subsystem from the ground up.
Kind Regards,
Werner
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2023-12-29 19:22 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 86+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-10-11 19:00 [PATCH] leds: rgb: Implement per-key keyboard backlight for several TUXEDO devices Werner Sembach
2023-10-11 19:21 ` Werner Sembach
2023-10-12 8:58 ` Pavel Machek
2023-10-12 10:02 ` Werner Sembach
2023-10-12 14:05 ` Pavel Machek
2023-10-12 16:35 ` Werner Sembach
2023-10-13 12:19 ` Pavel Machek
2023-10-13 14:38 ` Werner Sembach
2023-10-13 14:54 ` Implement per-key keyboard backlight as auxdisplay? Werner Sembach
2023-10-13 19:56 ` Pavel Machek
2023-10-13 20:03 ` Pavel Machek
2023-10-16 10:57 ` Miguel Ojeda
2023-10-23 11:40 ` Jani Nikula
2023-10-23 11:44 ` Miguel Ojeda
2023-11-20 20:53 ` Pavel Machek
2023-11-20 20:52 ` Pavel Machek
2023-11-21 11:33 ` Werner Sembach
2023-11-21 12:20 ` Hans de Goede
2023-11-21 13:29 ` Werner Sembach
2023-11-22 18:34 ` Hans de Goede
2023-11-27 10:59 ` Werner Sembach
2023-12-29 19:13 ` Werner Sembach [this message]
2024-01-17 15:26 ` Hans de Goede
2024-01-17 16:50 ` Userspace API for per key backlight for non HID (no hidraw) keyboards Hans de Goede
2024-01-17 19:03 ` Armin Wolf
2024-01-18 0:58 ` Werner Sembach
2024-01-18 17:45 ` Implement per-key keyboard backlight as auxdisplay? Pavel Machek
2024-01-18 22:32 ` Werner Sembach
2024-01-19 8:44 ` Hans de Goede
2024-01-19 10:51 ` Jani Nikula
2024-01-19 16:06 ` Werner Sembach
2024-01-19 18:33 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2024-01-19 22:14 ` Pavel Machek
2024-01-23 16:51 ` Werner Sembach
2024-01-19 16:04 ` Werner Sembach
2024-01-29 13:24 ` Hans de Goede
2024-01-30 11:12 ` Werner Sembach
2024-01-30 17:10 ` Hans de Goede
2024-01-30 18:09 ` Werner Sembach
2024-01-30 18:35 ` Hans de Goede
2024-01-30 19:08 ` Werner Sembach
2024-01-30 19:46 ` Hans de Goede
2024-01-31 11:41 ` Future handling of complex RGB devices on Linux Werner Sembach
2024-01-31 15:52 ` Roderick Colenbrander
2024-02-21 11:12 ` Future handling of complex RGB devices on Linux v2 Werner Sembach
2024-02-21 22:17 ` Pavel Machek
2024-02-22 9:04 ` Pekka Paalanen
2024-02-22 17:38 ` Pavel Machek
2024-02-23 8:53 ` Pekka Paalanen
2024-07-23 20:40 ` Keybaords with arrays of RGB LEDs was " Pavel Machek
2024-02-23 9:21 ` Thomas Zimmermann
2024-02-22 10:46 ` Hans de Goede
2024-02-22 11:38 ` Gregor Riepl
2024-02-22 12:39 ` Hans de Goede
2024-02-22 13:14 ` Future handling of complex RGB devices on Linux v3 Werner Sembach
2024-03-18 11:11 ` Hans de Goede
2024-03-19 15:18 ` Werner Sembach
2024-03-25 14:18 ` Hans de Goede
2024-03-25 17:01 ` Werner Sembach
2024-03-20 11:16 ` Werner Sembach
2024-03-20 11:33 ` Werner Sembach
2024-03-20 18:45 ` Werner Sembach
2024-03-25 14:25 ` In kernel virtual HID devices (was Future handling of complex RGB devices on Linux v3) Hans de Goede
2024-03-25 15:56 ` Benjamin Tissoires
2024-03-25 16:48 ` Werner Sembach
2024-03-25 18:30 ` Hans de Goede
2024-03-26 7:57 ` Werner Sembach
2024-03-26 15:39 ` Benjamin Tissoires
2024-03-26 16:57 ` Werner Sembach
2024-03-27 11:03 ` Benjamin Tissoires
2024-03-28 23:52 ` Werner Sembach
2024-03-27 11:01 ` Hans de Goede
2024-07-24 17:36 ` Pavel Machek
2024-07-24 21:08 ` Werner Sembach
2024-03-25 18:38 ` Miguel Ojeda
2024-04-09 13:33 ` Andy Shevchenko
2024-02-22 17:42 ` Future handling of complex RGB devices on Linux v2 Pavel Machek
2024-02-22 17:52 ` Pavel Machek
2024-02-22 17:23 ` Pavel Machek
2024-02-23 8:33 ` Werner Sembach
2024-01-19 20:15 ` Implement per-key keyboard backlight as auxdisplay? Pavel Machek
2024-01-19 20:22 ` Werner Sembach
2024-01-19 20:32 ` Pavel Machek
2024-01-29 13:24 ` Hans de Goede
2023-10-12 13:00 ` [PATCH] leds: rgb: Implement per-key keyboard backlight for several TUXEDO devices kernel test robot
2023-10-16 11:21 ` kernel test robot
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