From: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
To: Gregory Haskins <ghaskins@novell.com>
Cc: Gregory Haskins <gregory.haskins@gmail.com>,
Chris Wright <chrisw@sous-sol.org>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/3] generic hypercall support
Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 23:15:41 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4A03416D.8020405@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4A033F6E.3010604@novell.com>
Gregory Haskins wrote:
>> Oh yes. But don't call it dynhc - like Chris says it's the wrong
>> semantic.
>>
>> Since we want to connect it to an eventfd, call it HC_NOTIFY or
>> HC_EVENT or something along these lines. You won't be able to pass
>> any data, but that's fine. Registers are saved to memory anyway.
>>
> Ok, but how would you access the registers since you would presumably
> only be getting a waitq::func callback on the eventfd. Or were you
> saying that more data, if required, is saved in a side-band memory
> location? I can see the latter working.
Yeah. You basically have that side-band in vbus shmem (or the virtio ring).
> I can't wrap my head around
> the former.
>
I only meant that registers aren't faster than memory, since they are
just another memory location.
In fact registers are accessed through a function call (not that that
takes any time these days).
>> Just to make sure we have everything plumbed down, here's how I see
>> things working out (using qemu and virtio, use sed to taste):
>>
>> 1. qemu starts up, sets up the VM
>> 2. qemu creates virtio-net-server
>> 3. qemu allocates six eventfds: irq, stopirq, notify (one set for tx
>> ring, one set for rx ring)
>> 4. qemu connects the six eventfd to the data-available,
>> data-not-available, and kick ports of virtio-net-server
>> 5. the guest starts up and configures virtio-net in pci pin mode
>> 6. qemu notices and decides it will manage interrupts in user space
>> since this is complicated (shared level triggered interrupts)
>> 7. the guest OS boots, loads device driver
>> 8. device driver switches virtio-net to msix mode
>> 9. qemu notices, plumbs the irq fds as msix interrupts, plumbs the
>> notify fds as notifyfd
>> 10. look ma, no hands.
>>
>> Under the hood, the following takes place.
>>
>> kvm wires the irqfds to schedule a work item which fires the
>> interrupt. One day the kvm developers get their act together and
>> change it to inject the interrupt directly when the irqfd is signalled
>> (which could be from the net softirq or somewhere similarly nasty).
>>
>> virtio-net-server wires notifyfd according to its liking. It may
>> schedule a thread, or it may execute directly.
>>
>> And they all lived happily ever after.
>>
>
> Ack. I hope when its all said and done I can convince you that the
> framework to code up those virtio backends in the kernel is vbus ;)
If vbus doesn't bring significant performance advantages, I'll prefer
virtio because of existing investment.
> But
> even if not, this should provide enough plumbing that we can all coexist
> together peacefully.
>
Yes, vbus and virtio can compete on their merits without bias from some
maintainer getting in the way.
--
Do not meddle in the internals of kernels, for they are subtle and quick to panic.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-05-07 20:17 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 104+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-05-05 13:24 [RFC PATCH 0/3] generic hypercall support Gregory Haskins
2009-05-05 13:24 ` [RFC PATCH 1/3] add " Gregory Haskins
2009-05-05 17:03 ` Hollis Blanchard
2009-05-06 13:52 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-05-06 15:16 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-05-06 16:52 ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-05-05 13:24 ` [RFC PATCH 2/3] x86: " Gregory Haskins
2009-05-05 13:24 ` [RFC PATCH 3/3] kvm: add pv_cpu_ops.hypercall support to the guest Gregory Haskins
2009-05-05 13:36 ` [RFC PATCH 0/3] generic hypercall support Avi Kivity
2009-05-05 13:40 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-05-05 14:00 ` Avi Kivity
2009-05-05 14:14 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-05-05 14:21 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-05-05 15:02 ` Avi Kivity
2009-05-05 23:17 ` Chris Wright
2009-05-06 3:51 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-05-06 7:22 ` Chris Wright
2009-05-06 13:17 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-05-06 16:07 ` Chris Wright
2009-05-07 17:03 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-05-07 18:05 ` Avi Kivity
2009-05-07 18:08 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-05-07 18:12 ` Avi Kivity
2009-05-07 18:16 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-05-07 18:24 ` Avi Kivity
2009-05-07 18:37 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-05-07 19:00 ` Avi Kivity
2009-05-07 19:05 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-05-07 19:43 ` Avi Kivity
2009-05-07 20:07 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-05-07 20:15 ` Avi Kivity [this message]
2009-05-07 20:26 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-05-08 8:35 ` Avi Kivity
2009-05-08 11:29 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-05-07 19:07 ` Chris Wright
2009-05-07 19:12 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-05-07 19:21 ` Chris Wright
2009-05-07 19:26 ` Avi Kivity
2009-05-07 19:44 ` Avi Kivity
2009-05-07 19:29 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-05-07 20:25 ` Chris Wright
2009-05-07 20:34 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-05-07 20:54 ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-05-07 21:13 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-05-07 21:57 ` Chris Wright
2009-05-07 22:11 ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-05-08 22:33 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-11 13:01 ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-05-11 13:04 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-05-07 20:00 ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-05-07 20:31 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-05-07 20:42 ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-05-07 20:47 ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-05-07 20:50 ` Chris Wright
2009-05-07 23:35 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2009-05-07 23:43 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2009-05-08 3:17 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-05-08 7:55 ` Avi Kivity
[not found] ` <20090508103253.GC3011@amt.cnet>
2009-05-08 11:37 ` Avi Kivity
2009-05-08 3:13 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-05-08 7:59 ` Avi Kivity
2009-05-08 11:09 ` Gregory Haskins
[not found] ` <20090508104228.GD3011@amt.cnet>
2009-05-08 12:43 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-05-08 15:33 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2009-05-08 19:02 ` Avi Kivity
2009-05-08 16:48 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-05-08 19:55 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-05-08 14:15 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-05-08 14:53 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-05-08 18:50 ` Avi Kivity
2009-05-08 19:02 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-05-08 19:06 ` Avi Kivity
2009-05-11 16:37 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-05-07 12:29 ` Avi Kivity
2009-05-08 14:59 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-05-09 12:01 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-05-10 18:38 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-05-11 13:14 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-05-11 16:35 ` Hollis Blanchard
2009-05-11 17:06 ` Avi Kivity
2009-05-11 17:29 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-05-11 17:53 ` Avi Kivity
2009-05-11 17:51 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-05-11 18:02 ` Avi Kivity
2009-05-11 18:18 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-05-11 17:31 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-05-13 10:53 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-05-13 14:45 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-05-11 16:44 ` Hollis Blanchard
2009-05-11 17:54 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-05-11 19:24 ` PowerPC page faults Hollis Blanchard
2009-05-11 22:17 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-05-12 5:46 ` Liu Yu-B13201
2009-05-12 14:50 ` Hollis Blanchard
2009-05-06 13:56 ` [RFC PATCH 0/3] generic hypercall support Anthony Liguori
2009-05-06 16:03 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-05-08 8:17 ` Avi Kivity
2009-05-08 15:20 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-05-08 17:00 ` Avi Kivity
2009-05-08 18:55 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-05-08 19:05 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-05-08 19:12 ` Avi Kivity
2009-05-08 19:59 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-05-10 9:59 ` Avi Kivity
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