mm/-next release on kernel.org web page?

mm/-next release on kernel.org web page?

[Dave Young]

Hi,

The last mm patchset is 2.6.28-rc2-mm1. We can not download -mm
patchset from kernel.org web page since the -next tree born.

Could you consider put mmtom release there just like before? And even
-next tree patchset? It will be more convenient for users who test
kernel just by downloading from web. Now it's impossible for them to
test these patchsets because they normally do not subscribe to lkml.


-- 
Regards
dave

Re: mm/-next release on kernel.org web page?

[Stephen Rothwell]

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Hi Dave,

On Sun, 2 Aug 2009 15:56:20 +0800 Dave Young <hidave.darkstar@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Could you consider put mmtom release there just like before? And even
> -next tree patchset? It will be more convenient for users who test
> kernel just by downloading from web. Now it's impossible for them to
> test these patchsets because they normally do not subscribe to lkml.

Each -next release appears as a patch relatively to Linus' at
http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/sfr/linux-next/ .  They
come out basically each work day.

-- 
Cheers,
Stephen Rothwell                    sfr@canb.auug.org.au
http://www.canb.auug.org.au/~sfr/

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Re: mm/-next release on kernel.org web page?

[Randy Dunlap]

On Sun, 2 Aug 2009 15:56:20 +0800 Dave Young wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> The last mm patchset is 2.6.28-rc2-mm1. We can not download -mm
> patchset from kernel.org web page since the -next tree born.
> 
> Could you consider put mmtom release there just like before? And even
> -next tree patchset? It will be more convenient for users who test
> kernel just by downloading from web. Now it's impossible for them to
> test these patchsets because they normally do not subscribe to lkml.


from www.kernel.org:
For comments about the web pages, please send mail to webmaster@kernel.org.

also from www.kernel.org:
Please don't use finger.kernel.org for any sort of automatic monitoring. The number of automatic bots hitting this port is causing the finger daemon to shut down more often than not. The same information is available from http://www.kernel.org/kdist/finger_banner.

and of course the finger_banner file is not up to date.

You may consider using my http://www.xenotime.net/linux/scripts/kcurrent script.
Its output (today) is:

The latest stable version of the Linux kernel is:           2.6.30.4
The latest prepatch for the stable Linux kernel tree is:    2.6.31-rc5
The latest 2.4 version of the Linux kernel is:              2.4.37.4
The latest 2.2 version of the Linux kernel is:              2.2.26
The latest prepatch for the 2.2 Linux kernel tree is:       2.2.27-rc2
The latest -mm patch to the stable Linux kernels is:        2.6.28-rc2-mm1
mmotm-2009-0730-0501 ... applies to: 2.6.31-rc4
next-20090731 ... applies to: v2.6.31-rc4


---
~Randy
LPC 2009, Sept. 23-25, Portland, Oregon
http://linuxplumbersconf.org/2009/

Re: mm/-next release on kernel.org web page?

[Dave Young]

On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 10:48 PM, Stephen Rothwell<sfr@canb.auug.org.au> wrote:
> Hi Dave,
>
> On Sun, 2 Aug 2009 15:56:20 +0800 Dave Young <hidave.darkstar@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Could you consider put mmtom release there just like before? And even
>> -next tree patchset? It will be more convenient for users who test
>> kernel just by downloading from web. Now it's impossible for them to
>> test these patchsets because they normally do not subscribe to lkml.
>
> Each -next release appears as a patch relatively to Linus' at
> http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/sfr/linux-next/ .  They
> come out basically each work day.

Thanks for tell, Actually I know this address. But we can not get it
from the www.kernel.org main page, isn't it? Could we put such link or
guide info in the main page along with other releases?

>
> --
> Cheers,
> Stephen Rothwell                    sfr@canb.auug.org.au
> http://www.canb.auug.org.au/~sfr/
>



-- 
Regards
dave

Re: mm/-next release on kernel.org web page?

[Dave Young]

On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 12:55 AM, Randy Dunlap<rdunlap@xenotime.net> wrote:
> On Sun, 2 Aug 2009 15:56:20 +0800 Dave Young wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> The last mm patchset is 2.6.28-rc2-mm1. We can not download -mm
>> patchset from kernel.org web page since the -next tree born.
>>
>> Could you consider put mmtom release there just like before? And even
>> -next tree patchset? It will be more convenient for users who test
>> kernel just by downloading from web. Now it's impossible for them to
>> test these patchsets because they normally do not subscribe to lkml.
>
>
> from www.kernel.org:
> For comments about the web pages, please send mail to webmaster@kernel.org.
>
> also from www.kernel.org:
> Please don't use finger.kernel.org for any sort of automatic monitoring. The number of automatic bots hitting this port is causing the finger daemon to shut down more often than not. The same information is available from http://www.kernel.org/kdist/finger_banner.
>
> and of course the finger_banner file is not up to date.
>
> You may consider using my http://www.xenotime.net/linux/scripts/kcurrent script.
> Its output (today) is:
>
> The latest stable version of the Linux kernel is:           2.6.30.4
> The latest prepatch for the stable Linux kernel tree is:    2.6.31-rc5
> The latest 2.4 version of the Linux kernel is:              2.4.37.4
> The latest 2.2 version of the Linux kernel is:              2.2.26
> The latest prepatch for the 2.2 Linux kernel tree is:       2.2.27-rc2
> The latest -mm patch to the stable Linux kernels is:        2.6.28-rc2-mm1
> mmotm-2009-0730-0501 ... applies to: 2.6.31-rc4
> next-20090731 ... applies to: v2.6.31-rc4

Thanks randy. Very helpful. But I still have same question. Normal
users need a more convenient and straightforward  way to get what they
want.  It will be better that we put them on www.kernel.org main page,
not only the version info but also the download link.

At least for me when I started my kernel hacking some years ago I
always download kernel from www.kernel.org main page. I'm not sure
whether others people do same thing. Current -next and mmtom are more
like for us to do internal testing.

>
>
> ---
> ~Randy
> LPC 2009, Sept. 23-25, Portland, Oregon
> http://linuxplumbersconf.org/2009/
>



-- 
Regards
dave

Re: mm/-next release on kernel.org web page?

[Randy Dunlap]

On Mon, 3 Aug 2009 10:08:40 +0800 Dave Young wrote:

> On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 12:55 AM, Randy Dunlap<rdunlap@xenotime.net> wrote:
> > On Sun, 2 Aug 2009 15:56:20 +0800 Dave Young wrote:
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> The last mm patchset is 2.6.28-rc2-mm1. We can not download -mm
> >> patchset from kernel.org web page since the -next tree born.
> >>
> >> Could you consider put mmtom release there just like before? And even
> >> -next tree patchset? It will be more convenient for users who test
> >> kernel just by downloading from web. Now it's impossible for them to
> >> test these patchsets because they normally do not subscribe to lkml.
> >
> >
> > from www.kernel.org:
> > For comments about the web pages, please send mail to webmaster@kernel.org.
> >
> > also from www.kernel.org:
> > Please don't use finger.kernel.org for any sort of automatic monitoring. The number of automatic bots hitting this port is causing the finger daemon to shut down more often than not. The same information is available from http://www.kernel.org/kdist/finger_banner.
> >
> > and of course the finger_banner file is not up to date.
> >
> > You may consider using my http://www.xenotime.net/linux/scripts/kcurrent script.
> > Its output (today) is:
> >
> > The latest stable version of the Linux kernel is:           2.6.30.4
> > The latest prepatch for the stable Linux kernel tree is:    2.6.31-rc5
> > The latest 2.4 version of the Linux kernel is:              2.4.37.4
> > The latest 2.2 version of the Linux kernel is:              2.2.26
> > The latest prepatch for the 2.2 Linux kernel tree is:       2.2.27-rc2
> > The latest -mm patch to the stable Linux kernels is:        2.6.28-rc2-mm1
> > mmotm-2009-0730-0501 ... applies to: 2.6.31-rc4
> > next-20090731 ... applies to: v2.6.31-rc4
> 
> Thanks randy. Very helpful. But I still have same question. Normal
> users need a more convenient and straightforward  way to get what they
> want.  It will be better that we put them on www.kernel.org main page,
> not only the version info but also the download link.
> 
> At least for me when I started my kernel hacking some years ago I
> always download kernel from www.kernel.org main page. I'm not sure
> whether others people do same thing. Current -next and mmtom are more
> like for us to do internal testing.

Oh, I agree with you, but webmaster@kernel.org seems to be ignoring these
emails (this is the third such one in the last 3-4 months).

---
~Randy
LPC 2009, Sept. 23-25, Portland, Oregon
http://linuxplumbersconf.org/2009/

Re: mm/-next release on kernel.org web page?

[J.H.]

Randy Dunlap wrote:
> On Mon, 3 Aug 2009 10:08:40 +0800 Dave Young wrote:
> 
>> On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 12:55 AM, Randy Dunlap<rdunlap@xenotime.net> wrote:
>>> On Sun, 2 Aug 2009 15:56:20 +0800 Dave Young wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> The last mm patchset is 2.6.28-rc2-mm1. We can not download -mm
>>>> patchset from kernel.org web page since the -next tree born.
>>>>
>>>> Could you consider put mmtom release there just like before? And even
>>>> -next tree patchset? It will be more convenient for users who test
>>>> kernel just by downloading from web. Now it's impossible for them to
>>>> test these patchsets because they normally do not subscribe to lkml.
>>>
>>> from www.kernel.org:
>>> For comments about the web pages, please send mail to webmaster@kernel.org.
>>>
>>> also from www.kernel.org:
>>> Please don't use finger.kernel.org for any sort of automatic monitoring. The number of automatic bots hitting this port is causing the finger daemon to shut down more often than not. The same information is available from http://www.kernel.org/kdist/finger_banner.
>>>
>>> and of course the finger_banner file is not up to date.
>>>
>>> You may consider using my http://www.xenotime.net/linux/scripts/kcurrent script.
>>> Its output (today) is:
>>>
>>> The latest stable version of the Linux kernel is:           2.6.30.4
>>> The latest prepatch for the stable Linux kernel tree is:    2.6.31-rc5
>>> The latest 2.4 version of the Linux kernel is:              2.4.37.4
>>> The latest 2.2 version of the Linux kernel is:              2.2.26
>>> The latest prepatch for the 2.2 Linux kernel tree is:       2.2.27-rc2
>>> The latest -mm patch to the stable Linux kernels is:        2.6.28-rc2-mm1
>>> mmotm-2009-0730-0501 ... applies to: 2.6.31-rc4
>>> next-20090731 ... applies to: v2.6.31-rc4
>> Thanks randy. Very helpful. But I still have same question. Normal
>> users need a more convenient and straightforward  way to get what they
>> want.  It will be better that we put them on www.kernel.org main page,
>> not only the version info but also the download link.
>>
>> At least for me when I started my kernel hacking some years ago I
>> always download kernel from www.kernel.org main page. I'm not sure
>> whether others people do same thing. Current -next and mmtom are more
>> like for us to do internal testing.
> 
> Oh, I agree with you, but webmaster@kernel.org seems to be ignoring these
> emails (this is the third such one in the last 3-4 months).

In fact we have been responding to these inquiries both to the public 
ones we have gotten (what we get added to on LKML), and to the private 
inquires, the latest one from LKML being a bit more than a week ago:

http://lkml.org/lkml/2009/7/24/334

We have been well aware of the problem for quite some time, the code 
base has rotted horribly, and the way kernel trees are placed in the 
hierarchy has changed from any reasonable assumption that was made many 
years ago when the code was first put together.  We (meaning me) are, 
literally, in the middle of revamping this code, however it's basically 
a complete re-write of the code base at this point.

And in the last few weeks we've been dealing with quite a lot on top of 
trying to make forward progress on this code base, like the Bind DNS 
vulnerabilities, OSCon, Linux Symposium and the plethora of other things 
that need doing.  Really, we aren't ignoring the problem, there's just 
one of me and a lot to do and I'm plugging away at it all.  Please be 
patient, I'm trying to get it done and up and running.  Until then 
*PLEASE* bear with us while we get through everything.

- John 'Warthog9' Hawley

Re: mm/-next release on kernel.org web page?

[J.H.]

J.H. wrote:
> Randy Dunlap wrote:
>> On Mon, 3 Aug 2009 10:08:40 +0800 Dave Young wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 12:55 AM, Randy Dunlap<rdunlap@xenotime.net> 
>>> wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 2 Aug 2009 15:56:20 +0800 Dave Young wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> The last mm patchset is 2.6.28-rc2-mm1. We can not download -mm
>>>>> patchset from kernel.org web page since the -next tree born.
>>>>>
>>>>> Could you consider put mmtom release there just like before? And even
>>>>> -next tree patchset? It will be more convenient for users who test
>>>>> kernel just by downloading from web. Now it's impossible for them to
>>>>> test these patchsets because they normally do not subscribe to lkml.
>>>>
>>>> from www.kernel.org:
>>>> For comments about the web pages, please send mail to 
>>>> webmaster@kernel.org.
>>>>
>>>> also from www.kernel.org:
>>>> Please don't use finger.kernel.org for any sort of automatic 
>>>> monitoring. The number of automatic bots hitting this port is 
>>>> causing the finger daemon to shut down more often than not. The same 
>>>> information is available from 
>>>> http://www.kernel.org/kdist/finger_banner.
>>>>
>>>> and of course the finger_banner file is not up to date.
>>>>
>>>> You may consider using my 
>>>> http://www.xenotime.net/linux/scripts/kcurrent script.
>>>> Its output (today) is:
>>>>
>>>> The latest stable version of the Linux kernel is:           2.6.30.4
>>>> The latest prepatch for the stable Linux kernel tree is:    2.6.31-rc5
>>>> The latest 2.4 version of the Linux kernel is:              2.4.37.4
>>>> The latest 2.2 version of the Linux kernel is:              2.2.26
>>>> The latest prepatch for the 2.2 Linux kernel tree is:       2.2.27-rc2
>>>> The latest -mm patch to the stable Linux kernels is:        
>>>> 2.6.28-rc2-mm1
>>>> mmotm-2009-0730-0501 ... applies to: 2.6.31-rc4
>>>> next-20090731 ... applies to: v2.6.31-rc4
>>> Thanks randy. Very helpful. But I still have same question. Normal
>>> users need a more convenient and straightforward  way to get what they
>>> want.  It will be better that we put them on www.kernel.org main page,
>>> not only the version info but also the download link.
>>>
>>> At least for me when I started my kernel hacking some years ago I
>>> always download kernel from www.kernel.org main page. I'm not sure
>>> whether others people do same thing. Current -next and mmtom are more
>>> like for us to do internal testing.
>>
>> Oh, I agree with you, but webmaster@kernel.org seems to be ignoring these
>> emails (this is the third such one in the last 3-4 months).
> 
> In fact we have been responding to these inquiries both to the public 
> ones we have gotten (what we get added to on LKML), and to the private 
> inquires, the latest one from LKML being a bit more than a week ago:
> 
> http://lkml.org/lkml/2009/7/24/334
> 
> We have been well aware of the problem for quite some time, the code 
> base has rotted horribly, and the way kernel trees are placed in the 
> hierarchy has changed from any reasonable assumption that was made many 
> years ago when the code was first put together.  We (meaning me) are, 
> literally, in the middle of revamping this code, however it's basically 
> a complete re-write of the code base at this point.
> 
> And in the last few weeks we've been dealing with quite a lot on top of 
> trying to make forward progress on this code base, like the Bind DNS 
> vulnerabilities, OSCon, Linux Symposium and the plethora of other things 
> that need doing.  Really, we aren't ignoring the problem, there's just 
> one of me and a lot to do and I'm plugging away at it all.  Please be 
> patient, I'm trying to get it done and up and running.  Until then 
> *PLEASE* bear with us while we get through everything.
> 
> - John 'Warthog9' Hawley
> 


Not to reply to myself, but I've pushed out an update that should 
incorporate the expected trees now, this does eliminate the 2.2 and all 
but the last 2.4 tree (2.4.37.5), but does include all of the stable 
2.6.x trees, the snapshots and linux-next.  Frontpage, finger and rss 
should all be showing the new information universally.  I'll probably 
tweak things a bit more (layout and such for the rss & html) but the 
kernels should now be listed as people expect.

- John 'Warthog9' Hawley
Chief Kernel.org Administrator

Re: mm/-next release on kernel.org web page?

[Greg KH]

On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 05:42:31PM -0700, J.H. wrote:
> 
> Not to reply to myself, but I've pushed out an update that should 
> incorporate the expected trees now, this does eliminate the 2.2 and all 
> but the last 2.4 tree (2.4.37.5), but does include all of the stable 
> 2.6.x trees, the snapshots and linux-next.  Frontpage, finger and rss 
> should all be showing the new information universally.  I'll probably 
> tweak things a bit more (layout and such for the rss & html) but the 
> kernels should now be listed as people expect.

This looks a lot better, thanks.  But note that the 2.6.28 and 2.6.29
stable series are no longer maintained, and the current versions of them
have known security issues, so it might not be a good idea to show that
they are recommended for use at all.

Is there some way that we can "mark" activly maintained releases to have
them show up on the front page in any way?  We can use the LATEST-IS
type file in the kernel directory if you want, that would be a simple
way to maintain this information.

thanks,

greg k-h

Re: mm/-next release on kernel.org web page?

[Dave Young]

On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 8:42 AM, J.H.<warthog9@kernel.org> wrote:
> J.H. wrote:
>>
>> Randy Dunlap wrote:
>>>
>>> On Mon, 3 Aug 2009 10:08:40 +0800 Dave Young wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 12:55 AM, Randy Dunlap<rdunlap@xenotime.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 2 Aug 2009 15:56:20 +0800 Dave Young wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The last mm patchset is 2.6.28-rc2-mm1. We can not download -mm
>>>>>> patchset from kernel.org web page since the -next tree born.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Could you consider put mmtom release there just like before? And even
>>>>>> -next tree patchset? It will be more convenient for users who test
>>>>>> kernel just by downloading from web. Now it's impossible for them to
>>>>>> test these patchsets because they normally do not subscribe to lkml.
>>>>>
>>>>> from www.kernel.org:
>>>>> For comments about the web pages, please send mail to
>>>>> webmaster@kernel.org.
>>>>>
>>>>> also from www.kernel.org:
>>>>> Please don't use finger.kernel.org for any sort of automatic
>>>>> monitoring. The number of automatic bots hitting this port is causing the
>>>>> finger daemon to shut down more often than not. The same information is
>>>>> available from http://www.kernel.org/kdist/finger_banner.
>>>>>
>>>>> and of course the finger_banner file is not up to date.
>>>>>
>>>>> You may consider using my
>>>>> http://www.xenotime.net/linux/scripts/kcurrent script.
>>>>> Its output (today) is:
>>>>>
>>>>> The latest stable version of the Linux kernel is:           2.6.30.4
>>>>> The latest prepatch for the stable Linux kernel tree is:    2.6.31-rc5
>>>>> The latest 2.4 version of the Linux kernel is:              2.4.37.4
>>>>> The latest 2.2 version of the Linux kernel is:              2.2.26
>>>>> The latest prepatch for the 2.2 Linux kernel tree is:       2.2.27-rc2
>>>>> The latest -mm patch to the stable Linux kernels is:
>>>>>  2.6.28-rc2-mm1
>>>>> mmotm-2009-0730-0501 ... applies to: 2.6.31-rc4
>>>>> next-20090731 ... applies to: v2.6.31-rc4
>>>>
>>>> Thanks randy. Very helpful. But I still have same question. Normal
>>>> users need a more convenient and straightforward  way to get what they
>>>> want.  It will be better that we put them on www.kernel.org main page,
>>>> not only the version info but also the download link.
>>>>
>>>> At least for me when I started my kernel hacking some years ago I
>>>> always download kernel from www.kernel.org main page. I'm not sure
>>>> whether others people do same thing. Current -next and mmtom are more
>>>> like for us to do internal testing.
>>>
>>> Oh, I agree with you, but webmaster@kernel.org seems to be ignoring these
>>> emails (this is the third such one in the last 3-4 months).
>>
>> In fact we have been responding to these inquiries both to the public ones
>> we have gotten (what we get added to on LKML), and to the private inquires,
>> the latest one from LKML being a bit more than a week ago:
>>
>> http://lkml.org/lkml/2009/7/24/334
>>
>> We have been well aware of the problem for quite some time, the code base
>> has rotted horribly, and the way kernel trees are placed in the hierarchy
>> has changed from any reasonable assumption that was made many years ago when
>> the code was first put together.  We (meaning me) are, literally, in the
>> middle of revamping this code, however it's basically a complete re-write of
>> the code base at this point.
>>
>> And in the last few weeks we've been dealing with quite a lot on top of
>> trying to make forward progress on this code base, like the Bind DNS
>> vulnerabilities, OSCon, Linux Symposium and the plethora of other things
>> that need doing.  Really, we aren't ignoring the problem, there's just one
>> of me and a lot to do and I'm plugging away at it all.  Please be patient,
>> I'm trying to get it done and up and running.  Until then *PLEASE* bear with
>> us while we get through everything.
>>
>> - John 'Warthog9' Hawley
>>
>
>
> Not to reply to myself, but I've pushed out an update that should
> incorporate the expected trees now, this does eliminate the 2.2 and all but
> the last 2.4 tree (2.4.37.5), but does include all of the stable 2.6.x
> trees, the snapshots and linux-next.  Frontpage, finger and rss should all
> be showing the new information universally.  I'll probably tweak things a
> bit more (layout and such for the rss & html) but the kernels should now be
> listed as people expect.

Thanks for your work.

Is it possible to add latest mmotm link?
Just link to andrew's broken-out.tar.gz with the stamp name?

>
> - John 'Warthog9' Hawley
> Chief Kernel.org Administrator
>



-- 
Regards
dave

Re: mm/-next release on kernel.org web page?

[Randy Dunlap]

On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 22:39:13 +0800 Dave Young wrote:

> On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 8:42 AM, J.H.<warthog9@kernel.org> wrote:
> > J.H. wrote:
> >>
> >> Randy Dunlap wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, 3 Aug 2009 10:08:40 +0800 Dave Young wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 12:55 AM, Randy Dunlap<rdunlap@xenotime.net>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Sun, 2 Aug 2009 15:56:20 +0800 Dave Young wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The last mm patchset is 2.6.28-rc2-mm1. We can not download -mm
> >>>>>> patchset from kernel.org web page since the -next tree born.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Could you consider put mmtom release there just like before? And even
> >>>>>> -next tree patchset? It will be more convenient for users who test
> >>>>>> kernel just by downloading from web. Now it's impossible for them to
> >>>>>> test these patchsets because they normally do not subscribe to lkml.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> from www.kernel.org:
> >>>>> For comments about the web pages, please send mail to
> >>>>> webmaster@kernel.org.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> also from www.kernel.org:
> >>>>> Please don't use finger.kernel.org for any sort of automatic
> >>>>> monitoring. The number of automatic bots hitting this port is causing the
> >>>>> finger daemon to shut down more often than not. The same information is
> >>>>> available from http://www.kernel.org/kdist/finger_banner.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> and of course the finger_banner file is not up to date.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You may consider using my
> >>>>> http://www.xenotime.net/linux/scripts/kcurrent script.
> >>>>> Its output (today) is:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The latest stable version of the Linux kernel is:           2.6.30.4
> >>>>> The latest prepatch for the stable Linux kernel tree is:    2.6.31-rc5
> >>>>> The latest 2.4 version of the Linux kernel is:              2.4.37.4
> >>>>> The latest 2.2 version of the Linux kernel is:              2.2.26
> >>>>> The latest prepatch for the 2.2 Linux kernel tree is:       2.2.27-rc2
> >>>>> The latest -mm patch to the stable Linux kernels is:
> >>>>>  2.6.28-rc2-mm1
> >>>>> mmotm-2009-0730-0501 ... applies to: 2.6.31-rc4
> >>>>> next-20090731 ... applies to: v2.6.31-rc4
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks randy. Very helpful. But I still have same question. Normal
> >>>> users need a more convenient and straightforward  way to get what they
> >>>> want.  It will be better that we put them on www.kernel.org main page,
> >>>> not only the version info but also the download link.
> >>>>
> >>>> At least for me when I started my kernel hacking some years ago I
> >>>> always download kernel from www.kernel.org main page. I'm not sure
> >>>> whether others people do same thing. Current -next and mmtom are more
> >>>> like for us to do internal testing.
> >>>
> >>> Oh, I agree with you, but webmaster@kernel.org seems to be ignoring these
> >>> emails (this is the third such one in the last 3-4 months).
> >>
> >> In fact we have been responding to these inquiries both to the public ones
> >> we have gotten (what we get added to on LKML), and to the private inquires,
> >> the latest one from LKML being a bit more than a week ago:
> >>
> >> http://lkml.org/lkml/2009/7/24/334
> >>
> >> We have been well aware of the problem for quite some time, the code base
> >> has rotted horribly, and the way kernel trees are placed in the hierarchy
> >> has changed from any reasonable assumption that was made many years ago when
> >> the code was first put together.  We (meaning me) are, literally, in the
> >> middle of revamping this code, however it's basically a complete re-write of
> >> the code base at this point.
> >>
> >> And in the last few weeks we've been dealing with quite a lot on top of
> >> trying to make forward progress on this code base, like the Bind DNS
> >> vulnerabilities, OSCon, Linux Symposium and the plethora of other things
> >> that need doing.  Really, we aren't ignoring the problem, there's just one
> >> of me and a lot to do and I'm plugging away at it all.  Please be patient,
> >> I'm trying to get it done and up and running.  Until then *PLEASE* bear with
> >> us while we get through everything.
> >>
> >> - John 'Warthog9' Hawley
> >>
> >
> >
> > Not to reply to myself, but I've pushed out an update that should
> > incorporate the expected trees now, this does eliminate the 2.2 and all but
> > the last 2.4 tree (2.4.37.5), but does include all of the stable 2.6.x
> > trees, the snapshots and linux-next.  Frontpage, finger and rss should all
> > be showing the new information universally.  I'll probably tweak things a
> > bit more (layout and such for the rss & html) but the kernels should now be
> > listed as people expect.
> 
> Thanks for your work.

Yes, thanks.  Much better.

> Is it possible to add latest mmotm link?
> Just link to andrew's broken-out.tar.gz with the stamp name?

Ditto.  Please.

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Re: mm/-next release on kernel.org web page?

[J.H.]

>> Is it possible to add latest mmotm link?
>> Just link to andrew's broken-out.tar.gz with the stamp name?
> 
> Ditto.  Please.

Problem with mmotm is that Andrew is hosting that out of his public_html 
directory, which I can only assume means that the tree isn't intended to 
be consumed by the masses, as official trees are supposed to live under 
/pub.  If this is not the case then we need to get it moved under 
/pub/scm & /pub as things on public_html aren't synced out to the 
front-end machines.  But I will have to defer to Andrew on what 
direction he wants to take mmotm.

- John 'Warthog9' Hawley

Re: mm/-next release on kernel.org web page?

[Andrew Morton]

On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 13:57:57 -0700
"J.H." <warthog9@kernel.org> wrote:

> >> Is it possible to add latest mmotm link?
> >> Just link to andrew's broken-out.tar.gz with the stamp name?
> > 
> > Ditto.  Please.
> 
> Problem with mmotm is that Andrew is hosting that out of his public_html 
> directory, which I can only assume means that the tree isn't intended to 
> be consumed by the masses, as official trees are supposed to live under 
> /pub.  If this is not the case then we need to get it moved under 
> /pub/scm & /pub as things on public_html aren't synced out to the 
> front-end machines.  But I will have to defer to Andrew on what 
> direction he wants to take mmotm.
> 

Well, it'd be simple enough to stick it all in a different directory. 
But I need to find a way to shove most of -mm into linux-next, after
which it all becomes a bit moot.

Re: mm/-next release on kernel.org web page?

[J.H.]

Greg KH wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 05:42:31PM -0700, J.H. wrote:
>> Not to reply to myself, but I've pushed out an update that should 
>> incorporate the expected trees now, this does eliminate the 2.2 and all 
>> but the last 2.4 tree (2.4.37.5), but does include all of the stable 
>> 2.6.x trees, the snapshots and linux-next.  Frontpage, finger and rss 
>> should all be showing the new information universally.  I'll probably 
>> tweak things a bit more (layout and such for the rss & html) but the 
>> kernels should now be listed as people expect.
> 
> This looks a lot better, thanks.  But note that the 2.6.28 and 2.6.29
> stable series are no longer maintained, and the current versions of them
> have known security issues, so it might not be a good idea to show that
> they are recommended for use at all.
> 
> Is there some way that we can "mark" activly maintained releases to have
> them show up on the front page in any way?  We can use the LATEST-IS
> type file in the kernel directory if you want, that would be a simple
> way to maintain this information.


The way the script works, in particular with regards to the ever 
changing realm of the 'stable' trees is this:

Wander the entire stable directory looking for git trees that have a tag 
that was last produced within 6 months (this can be shortened/lengthened 
but 6 months seemed reasonable at the time).  Pull the information for 
those kernels out and show them.  2.6.28's last tag was 3 months ago, 
2.6.29's was 7 weeks ago (almost 2 months) but things like 2.6.27 had an 
update 10 days ago.

I would be a bit concerned about using the LATEST-IS tags in the kernel 
directory, in particular there are external scripts that snag the 
LATEST-IS file to determine if a kernel needs to be pulled in, etc. 
Having multiple of those files would likely play havoc with those 
scripts as I'm sure they are doing something like:

ncftpget ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/LATEST-IS-*

It might also be particularly confusing to people to see multiple LATEST-IS'

Could do something based on the specific git tag for a tree, something 
like tagging the tree EOL would remove it from the list immediately, 
would have the advantage that should development be picked-back up and a 
new tag get created it would automatically show back up in the list, as 
well as it being explicit that that stable tree had stopped development.

For things like 2.6.28 & 2.6.29 that have more serious security 
vulnerabilities could setup some sort of blacklist file, or even a file 
that you could touch in the repo's directory that would blacklist it as 
well.

Like said, can always shorten the expiry period from 6 months to 3 for 
example which would more aggressively prune the list too.

Thoughts?

- John 'Warthog9' Hawley