From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1755900AbZHFNu1 (ORCPT ); Thu, 6 Aug 2009 09:50:27 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1755272AbZHFNu1 (ORCPT ); Thu, 6 Aug 2009 09:50:27 -0400 Received: from smtpauth.net4india.com ([202.71.129.41]:36452 "EHLO smtpauth.net4india.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1755261AbZHFNu0 (ORCPT ); Thu, 6 Aug 2009 09:50:26 -0400 Message-ID: <4A7AE005.8000205@xenontk.org> Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 19:22:05 +0530 From: David John Reply-To: davidjon@xenontk.org User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; X; Linux x86_64; rv:1.9.1b3pre) Gecko/20090513 Thunderbird/3.0b2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Russell King CC: Joe Perches , Pavel Machek , Erik Mouw , kernel list Subject: Re: linux-arm-kernel useless for development (was Re: Your message to Linux-arm-kernel awaits moderator approval) References: <20090804100051.GA17106@elf.ucw.cz> <20090804223922.GD18365@flint.arm.linux.org.uk> <20090806125751.7d0253ce@nij0285> <20090806113104.GK31370@elf.ucw.cz> <20090806120826.GC27773@flint.arm.linux.org.uk> <4A7ACC8D.7030706@xenontk.org> <20090806124048.GD27773@flint.arm.linux.org.uk> <1249563730.10297.13.camel@Joe-Laptop.home> <20090806133349.GF27773@flint.arm.linux.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <20090806133349.GF27773@flint.arm.linux.org.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On 08/06/2009 07:03 PM, Russell King wrote: > On Thu, Aug 06, 2009 at 06:02:10AM -0700, Joe Perches wrote: >> On Thu, 2009-08-06 at 13:40 +0100, Russell King wrote: >>> And no, moving the list outside the EU domain doesn't relieve any >>> of the lawful issues unless (as I understand the law) someone outside >>> the EU were to run the list. And people would have to independently >>> subscribe to it - I wouldn't be able to export the existing subscriber >>> list outside the EU. >> I suspect a vger based ARM list would not require you to "run" it. >> >> Perhaps you overestimate the value of the arm subscriber database >> as well as the work involved to subscribe to a list. >> >> Adding a "click this to subscribe to the new list" to the mailing >> list trailer would work reasonably well. > > There is already a vger based ARM list. I see no signs of people > moving over to it. I summise that is because most people don't > have a problem, and most people are happy with the existing lists > as they stand. Could it be that it's only a minority who are > having issues. I don't know. > > I also believe that majordomo is still stuck in the dark ages wrt > subscribing - having to have a carefully composed email message to > subscribe or unsubscribe. Having mailman's web interface took a > lot of work off of my shoulders when we moved the ARM lists off > of vger.rutgers.edu all those years back having to educate people > how to deal with majordomo. That may be true, but the key point here is that the majordomo list is open. Which means that say if I am an admin and I happen to notice a bug, I can send an email to lkml knowing that someone more knowledgeable will be able to pick it up. If on the other hand I have to subscribe to the list and then my mail has to be moderator approved (which might take a few days considering the moderator's workload), I'm more likely to just let it slip and hope that it gets fixed in the next release... > > Let's not forget - as Pavel has yet again proven - if you have a > problem with a mailing list, who do you talk to. All the list > admins? Of course not! You email rmk and/or mailing lists > directly. > >>> Now, people here can tell me I'm wrong, but they aren't in the legal >>> profession... Would you get a gardener to fix your gas boiler, or >>> would you get a qualified and registered gas engineer in? >> Perhaps not using the gas boiler is another option. > > Maybe we should all go back to using coal fires then. Oops, we moved > away from that to cleaner burning gas because of the smog problems > caused by burning dirty fuels. > Regards, David.