[Please include my email address in replies] Hi all, This is in regard to the problem that the recent patch ("pty: fix data loss when stopped (^S/^Q)") fixes. The issue is something I've been looking at recently as well after noticing (I noticed it first as loss of echoes, since I was re-testing what my echo buffer code originally fixed). Like mentioned in the other thread on this topic, the thought also occurred to me that the "tty stopped" logic should be in the ldisc rather in the driver code (console, pty, etc.). Also, upon digging further into the issue, even though the fix applied does resume previous behavior, there are some remaining issues that it does not address and that have existed for a while: 1) If the tty->stopped state changes during a write (either regular or echo output), the pty can end up throwing character away. This is a small window of opportunity, but there nonetheless. 2) Since the N_TTY ldisc relies on a reliable amount of "write room" during output operations (to both avoid similar loss of chars and to ensure certain char groupings, like "^C", stay together atomically) other calls to ttyp->ops->write outside the ldisc (e.g. tty_write_message in tty_io.c or send_prio_char in tty_ioctl.c) that happen in the middle of an ldisc write are problematic since they could cause a reduction of write room without the knowledge of N_TTY. I have attached a patch for comment which removes the checks for tty->stopped from pty.c and vt.c (covering the pty and console cases) and moves these checks to the ldisc (only N_TTY for now). I also use the output lock (a finer-grained lock than the write lock that can be used in both write and receive paths) to protect the write room in the cases outside the ldisc state above. Ultimately, we'd want to either make these locks only happen if ldisc=N_TTY or have all ldiscs use it, I would think (comments?). -Thanks, Joe