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From: Ric Wheeler <rwheeler@redhat.com>
To: NeilBrown <neilb@suse.de>
Cc: Andrei Tanas <andrei@tanas.ca>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: MD/RAID: what's wrong with sector 1953519935?
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 21:31:11 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4A94905F.7050705@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <b585ed9f13649050bbc984869d081315.squirrel@neil.brown.name>

On 08/25/2009 09:24 PM, NeilBrown wrote:
> On Wed, August 26, 2009 11:06 am, Ric Wheeler wrote:
>> On 08/25/2009 08:50 PM, NeilBrown wrote:
>
>>> All 1TB drives are exactly the same size.
>>> If you create a single partition (e.g. sdb1) on such a device, and that
>>> partition starts at sector 63 (which is common), and create an md
>>> array using that partition, then the superblock will always be at the
>>> address you quote.
>>> The superblock is probably updated more often than any other block in
>>> the array, so there is probably an increased likelyhood of an error
>>> being reported against that sector.
>>>
>>> So it is not just a coincidence.
>>> Whether there is some deeper underlying problem though, I cannot say.
>>> Google only claims 68 matches for that number which doesn't seem
>>> big enough to be significant.
>>>
>>> NeilBrown
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Neil,
>>
>> One thing that can happen is when we have a hot spot (like the super
>> block) on high capacity drives is that the frequent write degrade the
>> data in adjacent tracks.  Some drives have firmware that watches for
>> this and rewrites adjacent tracks, but it is also a good idea to avoid
>> too frequent updates.
>
> Yet another detail to worry about.... :-(

it never ends :-)

>
>>
>> Didn't you have a tunable to decrease this update frequency?
>
> /sys/block/mdX/md/safe_mode_delay
> is a time in seconds (Default 0.200) between when the last write to
> the array completes and when the superblock is marked as clean.
> Depending on the actual rate of writes to the array, the superblock
> can be updated as much as twice in this time (once to mark dirty,
> once to mark clean).
>
> Increasing the number can decrease the update frequency of the superblock,
> but the exact effect on update frequency is very load-dependant.
>
> Obviously a write-intent-bitmap, which is rarely more that a few
> sectors, can also see lots of updates, and it is harder to tune
> that (you have to set things up when you create the bitmap).
>
> NeilBrown
>

We did see issues in practice with adjacent sectors with some drives, so this 
one is worth tuning down.

I would suggest that Andrei might try to write and clear the IO error at that 
offset. You can use Mark Lord's hdparm to clear a specific sector or just do the 
math (carefully!) and dd over it. It the write succeeds (without bumping your 
remapped sectors count) this is a likely match to this problem,

ric





  reply	other threads:[~2009-08-26  1:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 70+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-08-26  0:32 MD/RAID: what's wrong with sector 1953519935? Andrei Tanas
2009-08-26  0:50 ` NeilBrown
2009-08-26  1:06   ` Ric Wheeler
2009-08-26  1:24     ` NeilBrown
2009-08-26  1:31       ` Ric Wheeler [this message]
2009-08-26  2:22         ` Andrei Tanas
2009-08-26  2:41           ` Ric Wheeler
2009-08-26  3:45             ` Andrei Tanas
2009-08-26 10:34               ` Ric Wheeler
2009-08-26 14:46                 ` Andrei Tanas
2009-08-26 14:49                   ` Andrei Tanas
2009-08-26 15:39                   ` Ric Wheeler
2009-08-26 18:12                     ` Andrei Tanas
2009-08-27  0:07                       ` Mark Lord
2009-08-27  1:37                         ` Andrei Tanas
2009-08-27  2:33                       ` Robert Hancock
2009-08-27 21:22                       ` MD/RAID time out writing superblock Andrei Tanas
2009-08-27 21:57                         ` Ric Wheeler
2009-08-31  8:10                           ` Tejun Heo
2009-08-31 12:04                             ` Ric Wheeler
2009-08-31 12:20                               ` Tejun Heo
2009-09-07 11:44                                 ` Chris Webb
2009-09-07 11:59                                   ` Chris Webb
2009-09-09 12:02                                     ` Chris Webb
2009-09-14  7:41                                       ` Tejun Heo
2009-09-14  7:44                                         ` Tejun Heo
2009-09-14 12:48                                           ` Mark Lord
2009-09-14 13:05                                             ` Tejun Heo
2009-09-14 14:25                                               ` Mark Lord
2009-09-16 23:19                                                 ` Chris Webb
2009-09-17 13:29                                                   ` Mark Lord
2009-09-17 13:32                                                     ` Mark Lord
2009-09-17 13:37                                                     ` Chris Webb
2009-09-17 15:35                                                     ` Tejun Heo
2009-09-17 16:16                                                       ` Mark Lord
2009-09-17 16:17                                                         ` Mark Lord
2009-09-18 17:05                                                           ` Chris Webb
2009-09-21 10:26                                                             ` Chris Webb
2009-09-21 19:47                                                               ` Mark Lord
2009-09-22  6:16                                                               ` Robert Hancock
2009-09-20 18:36                                                         ` Robert Hancock
2009-09-14 13:11                                           ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2009-09-14 13:24                                             ` Tejun Heo
2009-09-14 14:02                                               ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2009-09-14 14:34                                                 ` Tejun Heo
2009-09-14 13:14                                         ` Gabor Gombas
2009-09-07 16:55                                   ` Allan Wind
2009-09-07 23:26                                     ` Thomas Fjellstrom
2009-09-14  7:46                                       ` Tejun Heo
2009-09-14 21:13                                         ` Thomas Fjellstrom
2009-09-14 22:23                                           ` Tejun Heo
2009-09-16 22:28                                 ` Chris Webb
2009-09-16 23:47                                   ` Tejun Heo
2009-09-17  0:34                                     ` Neil Brown
2009-09-17 12:00                                       ` Chris Webb
2009-09-17 11:57                                     ` Chris Webb
2009-09-17 15:44                                       ` Tejun Heo
2009-09-18 17:07                                         ` Chris Webb
2009-09-20 18:46                                         ` Robert Hancock
2009-09-21  0:02                                           ` Kyle Moffett
2009-09-17 13:35                                     ` Mark Lord
2009-09-17 15:47                                       ` Tejun Heo
2009-08-31 12:21                             ` Mark Lord
2009-08-31 23:45                               ` Mark Lord
2009-09-01 13:07                                 ` Andrei Tanas
2009-09-01 13:15                                   ` Mark Lord
2009-09-01 13:30                                     ` Tejun Heo
2009-09-01 13:47                                       ` Ric Wheeler
2009-09-01 14:18                                         ` Andrei Tanas
2009-09-14  5:30                                           ` Marc Giger

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