From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1751968AbZH1Gdm (ORCPT ); Fri, 28 Aug 2009 02:33:42 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1751865AbZH1Gdl (ORCPT ); Fri, 28 Aug 2009 02:33:41 -0400 Received: from mx1.redhat.com ([209.132.183.28]:40342 "EHLO mx1.redhat.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751814AbZH1Gdl (ORCPT ); Fri, 28 Aug 2009 02:33:41 -0400 Message-ID: <4A977A41.1070101@redhat.com> Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 09:33:37 +0300 From: Avi Kivity User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.1) Gecko/20090814 Fedora/3.0-2.6.b3.fc11 Lightning/1.0pre Thunderbird/3.0b3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rusty Russell CC: Christoph Hellwig , borntraeger@de.ibm.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: [PATCH] virtio-blk: set QUEUE_ORDERED_DRAIN by default References: <20090820205616.GA5503@lst.de> <200908272013.50839.rusty@rustcorp.com.au> <4A966833.2090404@redhat.com> <200908281045.27333.rusty@rustcorp.com.au> In-Reply-To: <200908281045.27333.rusty@rustcorp.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On 08/28/2009 04:15 AM, Rusty Russell wrote: > On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 08:34:19 pm Avi Kivity wrote: > >> There are two possible semantics to cache=writeback: >> >> - simulate a drive with a huge write cache; use fsync() to implement >> barriers >> - tell the host that we aren't interested in data integrity, lie to the >> guest to get best performance >> > Why lie to the guest? Just say we're not ordered, and don't support barriers. > Gets even *better* performance since it won't drain the queues. > In that case, honesty is preferable. It means testing with cache=writeback exercises different guest code paths, but that's acceptable. > Maybe you're thinking of full virtualization where we guest ignorance is > bliss. But lying always gets us in trouble later on when other cases come > up. > > >> The second semantic is not useful for production, but is very useful for >> testing out things where you aren't worries about host crashes and >> you're usually rebooting the guest very often (you can't rely on guest >> caches, so you want the host to cache). >> > This is not the ideal world; people will do things for performance "in > production". > > We found that cache=none is faster than cache=writeback when you're really interested in performance (no qcow2). -- I have a truly marvellous patch that fixes the bug which this signature is too narrow to contain.