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From: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
To: Dan Magenheimer <dan.magenheimer@oracle.com>
Cc: Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy.fitzhardinge@citrix.com>,
	Xen-devel <xen-devel@lists.xensource.com>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	kurt.hackel@oracle.com, Keir Fraser <keir.fraser@eu.citrix.com>,
	Glauber de Oliveira Costa <gcosta@redhat.com>,
	zach.brown@oracle.com, the arch/x86 maintainers <x86@kernel.org>,
	chris.mason@oracle.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/5] x86/pvclock: add vsyscall implementation
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2009 17:11:22 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4ACB5E1A.8000407@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <711a958d-5a76-4f00-aa69-8e5889945992@default>

On 10/06/2009 04:19 PM, Dan Magenheimer wrote:
>> From: Jeremy Fitzhardinge [mailto:jeremy.fitzhardinge@citrix.com]
>> With this in place, I can do a gettimeofday in about 100ns on a 2.4GHz
>> Q6600.  I'm sure this could be tuned a bit more, but it is
>> already much better than a syscall.
>>      
> To evaluate the goodness of this, we really need a full
> set of measurements for:
>
> a) cost of rdtsc (and rdtscp if different)
> b) cost of vsyscall+pvclock
> c) cost of rdtsc emulated
> d) cost of a hypercall that returns "hypervisor system time"
>
> On a E6850 (3Ghz but let's use cycles), I measured;
>
> a == 72 cycles
> c == 1080 cycles
> d == 780 cycles
>
> It may be partly apples and oranges, but it looks
> like a good guess for b on my machine is
>
> b == 240 cycles
>    

Two rdtscps should suffice (and I think they are much faster on modern 
machines).

> Not bad, but is there any additional context switch
> cost to support it?
>    

rdtscp requires an additional msr read/write on heavyweight host context 
switches.  Should be negligible compared to the savings.

>> From: Avi Kivity [mailto:avi@redhat.com]
>> Instead of using vgetcpu() and rdtsc() independently, you can
>> use rdtscp
>> to read both atomically.  This removes the need for the
>> preempt notifier.
>>      
> Xen does not currently expose rdtscp and so does not emulate
> (or context switch) TSC_AUX.  Context switching TSC_AUX
> is certainly possible, but will likely be expensive.
> If the primary reason for vsyscall+pvclock is to maximize
> performance for gettimeofday/clock_gettime, this cost
> would need to be added to the mix.
>    

It will cost ~100 cycles on heavyweight host context switch 
(guest-to-guest).

>> preempt notifiers are per-thread, not global, and will upset
>> the cycle
>> counters.  I'd drop them and use rdtscp instead (and give up if the
>> processor doesn't support it).
>>      
> Even if rdtscp is used, in the Intel processor lineup
> only the very latest (Nehalem) supports rdtscp, so
> "give up" doesn't seem like a very good option, at least
> in the near future.
>    

Why not?  we still fall back to the guest kernel.  By the time guest 
kernels with rdtscp support are in the field, these machines will be 
quiet old.

-- 
error compiling committee.c: too many arguments to function


  reply	other threads:[~2009-10-06 15:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-10-06  0:50 [PATCH RFC] Extending pvclock down to usermode for vsyscall Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-10-06  0:50 ` [PATCH 1/5] x86/pvclock: make sure rdtsc doesn't speculate out of region Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-10-06  0:50 ` [PATCH 2/5] x86/pvclock: no need to use strong read barriers in pvclock_get_time_values Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-10-06  0:50 ` [PATCH 3/5] x86/pvclock: add vsyscall implementation Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-10-06  9:04   ` Avi Kivity
2009-10-06 14:19     ` Dan Magenheimer
2009-10-06 15:11       ` Avi Kivity [this message]
2009-10-06 18:46     ` [Xen-devel] " Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-10-07 10:25       ` Avi Kivity
2009-10-07 19:29         ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-10-07 20:09           ` Avi Kivity
2009-10-07 21:19             ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-10-07 21:37               ` Avi Kivity
2009-10-07 21:51                 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-10-07 21:53                   ` Avi Kivity
2009-10-07 20:48         ` Dan Magenheimer
2009-10-07 21:08           ` Avi Kivity
2009-10-07 22:36             ` Dan Magenheimer
2009-10-10  0:24         ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-10-10 18:10           ` Avi Kivity
2009-10-12 18:20             ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-10-12 18:29               ` Avi Kivity
2009-10-12 19:13                 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-10-13  6:39                   ` Avi Kivity
2009-10-13 20:00                     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-10-14 12:32                       ` Avi Kivity
2009-10-15 19:17                         ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-10-27 17:29                         ` Dan Magenheimer
2009-10-27 18:20                           ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-10-28  5:52                             ` Avi Kivity
2009-10-28  9:29                               ` Glauber Costa
2009-10-28  9:34                                 ` Avi Kivity
2009-10-28 17:47                                   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-10-29 12:13                                     ` Avi Kivity
2009-10-29 13:03                                       ` Chris Mason
2009-10-29 14:46                                       ` Dan Magenheimer
2009-10-29 15:07                                         ` Avi Kivity
2009-10-29 15:55                                           ` Dan Magenheimer
2009-10-29 16:15                                             ` Dan Magenheimer
2009-11-01  9:28                                               ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-02 15:28                                                 ` Dan Magenheimer
2009-11-02 15:41                                                   ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-01  9:32                                             ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-02 15:46                                               ` Dan Magenheimer
2009-11-03  5:12                                                 ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-04 20:30                                                   ` Dan Magenheimer
2009-11-05  6:47                                                     ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-05 14:52                                                       ` Dan Magenheimer
2009-11-05 15:07                                                         ` Keir Fraser
2009-11-04 21:19                                           ` john stultz
2009-11-04 21:28                                             ` Dan Magenheimer
2009-11-05  0:02                                               ` john stultz
2009-11-05  0:45                                                 ` Dan Magenheimer
2009-10-06  0:50 ` [PATCH 4/5] x86/fixmap: add a predicate for usermode fixmaps Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-10-06 10:23   ` [Xen-devel] " Jan Beulich
2009-10-06 18:47     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-10-06  0:50 ` [PATCH 5/5] xen/time: add pvclock_clocksource_vread support Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-10-06 10:28   ` [Xen-devel] " Jan Beulich
2009-10-06 18:48     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge

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