From: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
To: Dan Magenheimer <dan.magenheimer@oracle.com>
Cc: Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy.fitzhardinge@citrix.com>,
Xen-devel <xen-devel@lists.xensource.com>,
Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
kurt.hackel@oracle.com, Keir Fraser <keir.fraser@eu.citrix.com>,
Glauber de Oliveira Costa <gcosta@redhat.com>,
zach.brown@oracle.com, the arch/x86 maintainers <x86@kernel.org>,
chris.mason@oracle.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/5] x86/pvclock: add vsyscall implementation
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2009 17:11:22 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4ACB5E1A.8000407@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <711a958d-5a76-4f00-aa69-8e5889945992@default>
On 10/06/2009 04:19 PM, Dan Magenheimer wrote:
>> From: Jeremy Fitzhardinge [mailto:jeremy.fitzhardinge@citrix.com]
>> With this in place, I can do a gettimeofday in about 100ns on a 2.4GHz
>> Q6600. I'm sure this could be tuned a bit more, but it is
>> already much better than a syscall.
>>
> To evaluate the goodness of this, we really need a full
> set of measurements for:
>
> a) cost of rdtsc (and rdtscp if different)
> b) cost of vsyscall+pvclock
> c) cost of rdtsc emulated
> d) cost of a hypercall that returns "hypervisor system time"
>
> On a E6850 (3Ghz but let's use cycles), I measured;
>
> a == 72 cycles
> c == 1080 cycles
> d == 780 cycles
>
> It may be partly apples and oranges, but it looks
> like a good guess for b on my machine is
>
> b == 240 cycles
>
Two rdtscps should suffice (and I think they are much faster on modern
machines).
> Not bad, but is there any additional context switch
> cost to support it?
>
rdtscp requires an additional msr read/write on heavyweight host context
switches. Should be negligible compared to the savings.
>> From: Avi Kivity [mailto:avi@redhat.com]
>> Instead of using vgetcpu() and rdtsc() independently, you can
>> use rdtscp
>> to read both atomically. This removes the need for the
>> preempt notifier.
>>
> Xen does not currently expose rdtscp and so does not emulate
> (or context switch) TSC_AUX. Context switching TSC_AUX
> is certainly possible, but will likely be expensive.
> If the primary reason for vsyscall+pvclock is to maximize
> performance for gettimeofday/clock_gettime, this cost
> would need to be added to the mix.
>
It will cost ~100 cycles on heavyweight host context switch
(guest-to-guest).
>> preempt notifiers are per-thread, not global, and will upset
>> the cycle
>> counters. I'd drop them and use rdtscp instead (and give up if the
>> processor doesn't support it).
>>
> Even if rdtscp is used, in the Intel processor lineup
> only the very latest (Nehalem) supports rdtscp, so
> "give up" doesn't seem like a very good option, at least
> in the near future.
>
Why not? we still fall back to the guest kernel. By the time guest
kernels with rdtscp support are in the field, these machines will be
quiet old.
--
error compiling committee.c: too many arguments to function
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-10-06 15:12 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-10-06 0:50 [PATCH RFC] Extending pvclock down to usermode for vsyscall Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-10-06 0:50 ` [PATCH 1/5] x86/pvclock: make sure rdtsc doesn't speculate out of region Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-10-06 0:50 ` [PATCH 2/5] x86/pvclock: no need to use strong read barriers in pvclock_get_time_values Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-10-06 0:50 ` [PATCH 3/5] x86/pvclock: add vsyscall implementation Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-10-06 9:04 ` Avi Kivity
2009-10-06 14:19 ` Dan Magenheimer
2009-10-06 15:11 ` Avi Kivity [this message]
2009-10-06 18:46 ` [Xen-devel] " Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-10-07 10:25 ` Avi Kivity
2009-10-07 19:29 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-10-07 20:09 ` Avi Kivity
2009-10-07 21:19 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-10-07 21:37 ` Avi Kivity
2009-10-07 21:51 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-10-07 21:53 ` Avi Kivity
2009-10-07 20:48 ` Dan Magenheimer
2009-10-07 21:08 ` Avi Kivity
2009-10-07 22:36 ` Dan Magenheimer
2009-10-10 0:24 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-10-10 18:10 ` Avi Kivity
2009-10-12 18:20 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-10-12 18:29 ` Avi Kivity
2009-10-12 19:13 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-10-13 6:39 ` Avi Kivity
2009-10-13 20:00 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-10-14 12:32 ` Avi Kivity
2009-10-15 19:17 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-10-27 17:29 ` Dan Magenheimer
2009-10-27 18:20 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-10-28 5:52 ` Avi Kivity
2009-10-28 9:29 ` Glauber Costa
2009-10-28 9:34 ` Avi Kivity
2009-10-28 17:47 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-10-29 12:13 ` Avi Kivity
2009-10-29 13:03 ` Chris Mason
2009-10-29 14:46 ` Dan Magenheimer
2009-10-29 15:07 ` Avi Kivity
2009-10-29 15:55 ` Dan Magenheimer
2009-10-29 16:15 ` Dan Magenheimer
2009-11-01 9:28 ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-02 15:28 ` Dan Magenheimer
2009-11-02 15:41 ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-01 9:32 ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-02 15:46 ` Dan Magenheimer
2009-11-03 5:12 ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-04 20:30 ` Dan Magenheimer
2009-11-05 6:47 ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-05 14:52 ` Dan Magenheimer
2009-11-05 15:07 ` Keir Fraser
2009-11-04 21:19 ` john stultz
2009-11-04 21:28 ` Dan Magenheimer
2009-11-05 0:02 ` john stultz
2009-11-05 0:45 ` Dan Magenheimer
2009-10-06 0:50 ` [PATCH 4/5] x86/fixmap: add a predicate for usermode fixmaps Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-10-06 10:23 ` [Xen-devel] " Jan Beulich
2009-10-06 18:47 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-10-06 0:50 ` [PATCH 5/5] xen/time: add pvclock_clocksource_vread support Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-10-06 10:28 ` [Xen-devel] " Jan Beulich
2009-10-06 18:48 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
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