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From: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
To: Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@goop.org>
Cc: Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy.fitzhardinge@citrix.com>,
	Dan Magenheimer <dan.magenheimer@oracle.com>,
	Xen-devel <xen-devel@lists.xensource.com>,
	kurt.hackel@oracle.com, the arch/x86 maintainers <x86@kernel.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Glauber de Oliveira Costa <gcosta@redhat.com>,
	Keir Fraser <keir.fraser@eu.citrix.com>,
	Zach Brown <zach.brown@oracle.com>,
	Chris Mason <chris.mason@oracle.com>
Subject: Re: [Xen-devel] Re: [PATCH 3/5] x86/pvclock: add vsyscall implementation
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2009 12:25:32 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4ACC6C9C.7080707@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4ACB9074.1000804@goop.org>

On 10/06/2009 08:46 PM, Jeremy Fitzhardinge wrote:
>
>> Instead of using vgetcpu() and rdtsc() independently, you can use
>> rdtscp to read both atomically.  This removes the need for the preempt
>> notifier.
>>      
> rdtscp first appeared on Intel with Nehalem, so we need to support older
> Intel chips.
>    

We can support them by falling back to the kernel.  I'm a bit worried 
about the kernel playing with the hypervisor's version field.  It's 
better to introduce yet a new version for the kernel, and check both.

> You could use rdscp to get (tsc,cpu) atomically, but that's not
> sufficient to be able to get a consistent snapshot of (tsc, time_info)
> because it doesn't give you the pvclock_vcpu_time_info version number.
> If TSC_AUX contained that too, it might be possible.  Alternatively you
> could compare the tsc with pvclock.tsc_timestamp, but unfortunately the
> ABI doesn't specify that tsc_timestamp is updated in any particular
> order compared to the rest of the fields, so you still can't use that to
> get a consistent snapshot (we can revise the ABI, of course).
>
> So either way it doesn't avoid the need to iterate.  vgetcpu will use
> rdtscp if available, but I agree it is unfortunate we need to do a
> redundant rdtsc in that case.
>
>    

def try_pvclock_vtime():
   tsc, p0 = rdtscp()
   v0 = pvclock[p0].version
   tsc, p = rdtscp()
   t = pvclock_time(pvclock[p], tsc)
   if p != p0 or pvclock[p].version != v0:
      raise Exception("Processor or timebased change under our feet")
   return t

def pvclock_time():
   while True:
     try:
        return try_pvlock_time()
     except:
        pass

So, two rdtscps and two compares.

>>> +    for (cpu = 0; cpu<   nr_cpu_ids; cpu++)
>>> +        pvclock_vsyscall_time_info[cpu].version = ~0;
>>> +
>>> +    __set_fixmap(FIX_PVCLOCK_TIME_INFO,
>>> __pa(pvclock_vsyscall_time_info),
>>> +             PAGE_KERNEL_VSYSCALL);
>>> +
>>> +    preempt_notifier_init(&pvclock_vsyscall_notifier,
>>> +&pvclock_vsyscall_preempt_ops);
>>> +    preempt_notifier_register(&pvclock_vsyscall_notifier);
>>> +
>>>        
>> preempt notifiers are per-thread, not global, and will upset the cycle
>> counters.
>>      
> Ah, so I need to register it on every new thread?  That's a bit awkward.
>    

It's used to manage processor registers, much like the fpu.  If a thread 
uses a register that's not saved and restored by the normal context 
switch code, it can register a preempt notifier to do that instead.

> This is intended to satisfy the cycle-counters who want to do
> gettimeofday a million times a second, where I guess the tradeoff of
> avoiding a pile of syscalls is worth a bit of context-switch overhead.
>    

It's sufficient to increment a version counter on thread migration, no 
need to do it on context switch.

-- 
Do not meddle in the internals of kernels, for they are subtle and quick to panic.


  reply	other threads:[~2009-10-07 10:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-10-06  0:50 [PATCH RFC] Extending pvclock down to usermode for vsyscall Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-10-06  0:50 ` [PATCH 1/5] x86/pvclock: make sure rdtsc doesn't speculate out of region Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-10-06  0:50 ` [PATCH 2/5] x86/pvclock: no need to use strong read barriers in pvclock_get_time_values Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-10-06  0:50 ` [PATCH 3/5] x86/pvclock: add vsyscall implementation Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-10-06  9:04   ` Avi Kivity
2009-10-06 14:19     ` Dan Magenheimer
2009-10-06 15:11       ` Avi Kivity
2009-10-06 18:46     ` [Xen-devel] " Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-10-07 10:25       ` Avi Kivity [this message]
2009-10-07 19:29         ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-10-07 20:09           ` Avi Kivity
2009-10-07 21:19             ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-10-07 21:37               ` Avi Kivity
2009-10-07 21:51                 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-10-07 21:53                   ` Avi Kivity
2009-10-07 20:48         ` Dan Magenheimer
2009-10-07 21:08           ` Avi Kivity
2009-10-07 22:36             ` Dan Magenheimer
2009-10-10  0:24         ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-10-10 18:10           ` Avi Kivity
2009-10-12 18:20             ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-10-12 18:29               ` Avi Kivity
2009-10-12 19:13                 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-10-13  6:39                   ` Avi Kivity
2009-10-13 20:00                     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-10-14 12:32                       ` Avi Kivity
2009-10-15 19:17                         ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-10-27 17:29                         ` Dan Magenheimer
2009-10-27 18:20                           ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-10-28  5:52                             ` Avi Kivity
2009-10-28  9:29                               ` Glauber Costa
2009-10-28  9:34                                 ` Avi Kivity
2009-10-28 17:47                                   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-10-29 12:13                                     ` Avi Kivity
2009-10-29 13:03                                       ` Chris Mason
2009-10-29 14:46                                       ` Dan Magenheimer
2009-10-29 15:07                                         ` Avi Kivity
2009-10-29 15:55                                           ` Dan Magenheimer
2009-10-29 16:15                                             ` Dan Magenheimer
2009-11-01  9:28                                               ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-02 15:28                                                 ` Dan Magenheimer
2009-11-02 15:41                                                   ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-01  9:32                                             ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-02 15:46                                               ` Dan Magenheimer
2009-11-03  5:12                                                 ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-04 20:30                                                   ` Dan Magenheimer
2009-11-05  6:47                                                     ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-05 14:52                                                       ` Dan Magenheimer
2009-11-05 15:07                                                         ` Keir Fraser
2009-11-04 21:19                                           ` john stultz
2009-11-04 21:28                                             ` Dan Magenheimer
2009-11-05  0:02                                               ` john stultz
2009-11-05  0:45                                                 ` Dan Magenheimer
2009-10-06  0:50 ` [PATCH 4/5] x86/fixmap: add a predicate for usermode fixmaps Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-10-06 10:23   ` [Xen-devel] " Jan Beulich
2009-10-06 18:47     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-10-06  0:50 ` [PATCH 5/5] xen/time: add pvclock_clocksource_vread support Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-10-06 10:28   ` [Xen-devel] " Jan Beulich
2009-10-06 18:48     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge

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