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From: Masami Hiramatsu <mhiramat@redhat.com>
To: rostedt@goodmis.org
Cc: Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@polymtl.ca>,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	mingo@redhat.com, hpa@zytor.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	randy.dunlap@oracle.com, wcohen@redhat.com, fweisbec@gmail.com,
	tglx@linutronix.de, jbaron@redhat.com,
	linux-tip-commits@vger.kernel.org, Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
Subject: Re: trace/events: DECLARE vs DEFINE semantic
Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:36:54 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4B16EC06.6010706@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1259781578.12870.78.camel@gandalf.stny.rr.com>

Steven Rostedt wrote:
>>> I think the kernel developers are smart enough to figure out that these
>>> macros are not a typical DECLARE/DEFINE that is elsewhere. But I think
>>> using the DECLARE/DEFINE names will give them a better idea of what is
>>> happening than to make up something completely new.
>>
>> In my opinion, re-using a well-known keyword (e.g. DECLARE/DEFINE) but
>> applying a different semantic to what is generally agreed upon is a
>> recipe for confusing developers and users, who will skip the review of
>> some pieces of code assuming they already know what "DECLARE" and
>> "DEFINE" stands for.
>>
>> I argue here that the content of trace/events/ headers are _not_ per se
>> declarations nor definitions, and hence they should not confuse people
>> by using inappropriately well-known keywords. They are actually more
>> evolved macros that can be turned in either a declaration or definition,
>> depending if CREATE_TRACE_POINTS is declared.
> 
> And I argue that the semantics here are not too far off to what those
> are. Yes, these macros behave differently if CREATE_TRACE_POINTS is
> declared or not, but I argue that the average (and below average) kernel
> developer is smart enough to understand this difference.
> 
> 
>>
>> When I created the markers/tracepoints, Andrew Morton explained to me
>> the importance of distinguishing DECLARE vs DEFINE macros. I would
>> really like to hear his point of view on the current question.
> 
> I would like to hear Andrew's comments too, as well as anyone else.
> Randy Dunlap seemed to already approve of these naming conventions, and
> he's a pretty picky person too.
> 
> Randy, do you agree that the use of DECLARE/DEFINE here is fine, or do
> you think that we should come up with a better naming. I do not want to
> add any needless abstraction layer for the sake of naming. These macros
> are confusing enough without that.
> 
> Or do you (or anyone else) have a better name?

How about renaming DEFINE_EVENT to TRACE_EVENT_CLASS?

DECLARE_EVENT_CLASS(y, ...)	declare an event-class y
TRACE_EVENT_CLASS(x, y, ...)	define/declare a trace event x from event-class y
TRACE_EVENT(x, ...)		define/declare a trace event x

Thus TRACE_EVENT_* implies that this macro will be expanded
to both of definition and declaration.
I don't think separating it is good idea from the viewpoint
of maintaining code.

Thank you,

-- 
Masami Hiramatsu

Software Engineer
Hitachi Computer Products (America), Inc.
Software Solutions Division

e-mail: mhiramat@redhat.com


  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-12-02 22:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-12-01 17:18 [PATCH v2] tracing: add DEFINE_EVENT(), DEFINE_SINGLE_EVENT() support to docbook Jason Baron
2009-12-01 17:20 ` Randy Dunlap
2009-12-02 10:42 ` [tip:perf/core] tracing: Add " tip-bot for Jason Baron
2009-12-02 13:52   ` Steven Rostedt
2009-12-02 14:01     ` Ingo Molnar
2009-12-02 14:28       ` Steven Rostedt
2009-12-02 14:43         ` Ingo Molnar
2009-12-02 14:55           ` Steven Rostedt
2009-12-02 16:15             ` Randy Dunlap
2009-12-02 16:27             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-12-02 17:11               ` Steven Rostedt
2009-12-02 18:06                 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-12-02 18:19                   ` Steven Rostedt
2009-12-02 19:01                     ` trace/events: DECLARE vs DEFINE semantic Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-12-02 19:19                       ` Steven Rostedt
2009-12-02 19:34                         ` Randy Dunlap
2009-12-02 22:36                         ` Masami Hiramatsu [this message]
2009-12-02 22:46                           ` Steven Rostedt
2009-12-02 22:57                             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-12-02 23:08                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-12-02 23:13                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2009-12-02 23:18                                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-12-02 23:15                                 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-12-03  3:24                                   ` Masami Hiramatsu
2009-12-02 23:10                             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-12-03  4:00                               ` Masami Hiramatsu
2009-12-03  4:07                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2009-12-03 13:51                                   ` Masami Hiramatsu
2009-12-03 13:54                                     ` Steven Rostedt
2009-12-03 14:09                                       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-12-03 14:24                                         ` Steven Rostedt
2009-12-03 14:42                                           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-12-03 15:31                                       ` Masami Hiramatsu
2009-12-03 15:56                                         ` Steven Rostedt
2009-12-03 16:11                                           ` Masami Hiramatsu
2009-12-02 20:11                       ` [PATCH][tip/perf/core] tracing: Rename TRACE_EVENT and others to something resonable Steven Rostedt
2009-12-02 20:16                         ` Frederic Weisbecker

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