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From: "\"C. Bergström\"" <cbergstrom@pathscale.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, dri-devel@lists.sf.net
Subject: Re: [git pull] drm
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 19:20:22 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4B219046.3080908@pathscale.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.00.0912101601100.3560@localhost.localdomain>

Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Thu, 10 Dec 2009, Alan Cox wrote:
>   
>>> But not only is Fedora not following the rules, 
>>>       
>> You changed the rules. You require a Signed-off-by:. Fedora can no more
>> add a signed off by than you can. It's not their code nor Red Hat's code
>> any more than they "own" the kernel because they pay someone to work on
>> it.
>>     
>
> You're avoiding the point: they are shipping it, they are paying for (at 
> least some) development, and they seem to not even want to face the issue.
>
> Sign-offs aren't some new feature that took Red Hat people by surprise. 
> The "get it merged upstream first" didn't change in any way from it: it 
> just codified existing practice - of _course_ everybody expects copyrights 
> to be honored and clear.
>
>   
>> It's really simple: if you want to merge it *you* pull it and sign it off.
>> If you aren't prepared to do that then ask why Fedora should, its not
>> their code either.
>>     
>
> I'm not shipping it. They are. That's the difference.
>
> I realize that you have some emotional attachments to Red Hat, but ask 
> yourself (and answer honestly): what would you think if some random other 
> distro was packaging tens of thousands of lines of kernel code and not 
> apparently working at trying to get them upstream?
>
> Dave claims it's only been going on for a few months, but quite frankly, 
> we all know better. The nouveau kernel modules have been shipped for a lot 
> longer than just F12.
>
> And it's possible that other distros are doing the same thing. I happen to 
> know that Fedora does it (and has been doing it for at least a year), 
> because I happen to have an Intel development machine that runs Fedora and 
> was shipped by Intel with an nVidia card (and has a power supply that 
> craps out if you don't use several hundred watts of power, so I can't 
> change it to something more power-efficient - seriously).
>   
Thanks for the rather lengthly explanation, but in case you missed what 
people are trying to say here..

With all due respect Linus..

"patches welcome"


  reply	other threads:[~2009-12-11  0:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 66+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-12-10  6:17 [git pull] drm Dave Airlie
2009-12-10 15:17 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-10 15:40   ` Xavier Bestel
2009-12-10 16:24     ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-10 17:40       ` Maarten Maathuis
2009-12-10 18:42         ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-10 19:13           ` Pekka Enberg
2009-12-10 19:13           ` Robert Noland
2009-12-10 19:28           ` Alan Cox
2009-12-10 19:36           ` Jesse Barnes
2009-12-10 19:37           ` Dave Airlie
2009-12-10 19:45             ` Roland Dreier
2009-12-10 19:49           ` Pekka Paalanen
2009-12-10 20:35             ` Will Dyson
2009-12-10 21:12               ` Pekka Paalanen
2009-12-10 19:53           ` Stephane Marchesin
2009-12-10 23:37             ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-10 23:50               ` Dave Airlie
2009-12-10 23:58               ` Alan Cox
2009-12-11  0:09                 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-11  0:20                   ` "C. Bergström" [this message]
2009-12-11  0:32                     ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-11  0:47                       ` Dave Airlie
2009-12-11  1:34                       ` Kyle McMartin
2009-12-11  0:21                   ` Dave Airlie
2009-12-11  0:45                     ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-11  9:18                   ` Alan Cox
2009-12-11  9:34                     ` David Miller
2009-12-11 10:15                       ` Andy Walls
2009-12-11 10:20                       ` Dave Airlie
2009-12-11 12:45                         ` tytso
2009-12-11 12:50                           ` Alan Cox
2009-12-11 10:28                     ` Jeff Garzik
2009-12-11 10:46                       ` Dave Airlie
2009-12-11 15:28                       ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-11 17:49                         ` Jeff Garzik
2009-12-11 10:02                 ` Stephane Marchesin
2009-12-11 10:24                   ` Andy Walls
2009-12-10 16:47     ` Alan Cox
2009-12-10 21:49       ` Ingo Molnar
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2011-02-04  5:11 Dave Airlie
2010-02-11  4:20 Dave Airlie
2010-02-15  9:53 ` Christian Borntraeger
2010-02-15 20:12   ` Marcin Slusarz
2010-02-15 20:39     ` Maarten Maathuis
2010-02-15 22:13       ` Marcin Slusarz
2010-02-15 22:55   ` Christian Borntraeger
2010-02-16  1:19     ` Ben Skeggs
2010-02-16 11:39       ` Christian Borntraeger
2010-01-11  4:52 Dave Airlie
2009-09-29  3:52 Dave Airlie
2009-09-29  4:26 ` [git pull] drm Dave Airlie
2009-02-09  8:30 Dave Airlie
2009-01-07  1:59 Dave Airlie
2008-12-29  8:32 Dave Airlie
2009-01-04 19:19 ` Gabriel C
2009-01-10  2:03   ` Dave Airlie
2009-01-09 15:07 ` Richard Purdie
2009-01-09 18:03   ` Richard Purdie
2009-01-10  1:13     ` Richard Purdie
2009-01-10  2:04       ` Dave Airlie
2009-01-10  9:58         ` Richard Purdie
2009-01-10 23:04           ` Dave Airlie
2009-01-10 23:51             ` Richard Purdie
2009-01-16  6:53               ` Brice Goglin
2009-01-11  9:29   ` Graham Murray
2009-01-11  9:56     ` Dave Airlie

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