From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S932240Ab0CDTjk (ORCPT ); Thu, 4 Mar 2010 14:39:40 -0500 Received: from mail-yw0-f189.google.com ([209.85.211.189]:61597 "EHLO mail-yw0-f189.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1756215Ab0CDTjj (ORCPT ); Thu, 4 Mar 2010 14:39:39 -0500 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=sender:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Nvi3bKE4HAK0DiaY4WzQzrAGzAu0T3C6JnOoQvpVgOMTJaR/PmvSbUI8MsI+04yYnp 8+LmA/SG3oSKLemvR0TffnCyIIbztjn1j8dQaewZ77B6dx/pBsqMJNVsXlSOdLJaFqrF c5h9PPBmaZohnPgifttr3GfnfbSmN52cVLT70= Message-ID: <4B900AB2.1020603@garzik.org> Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2010 14:32:02 -0500 From: Jeff Garzik User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100301 Fedora/3.0.3-1.fc11 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matthew Garrett CC: Linus Torvalds , Dave Airlie , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, dri-devel@lists.sf.net Subject: Re: [git pull] drm request 3 References: <20100304185002.GA23532@srcf.ucam.org> <20100304190450.GA23807@srcf.ucam.org> In-Reply-To: <20100304190450.GA23807@srcf.ucam.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On 03/04/2010 02:04 PM, Matthew Garrett wrote: > "Please note that these drivers are under heavy development, may or may > not work, and may contain userspace interfaces that most likely will be > changed in the near future." Shipping it as the default Fedora driver for NVIDIA hardware makes that text largely irrelevant. Jesse said > Dave and the nouveau guys include the driver in Fedora to get > much needed test coverage, and make sure the latest bits in rawhide > work together. but when it is the default driver, it is the default _production_ driver for Fedora users, in an official, stable Fedora release. And the alternative? You said > F-12 continues to ship the -nv driver, which will work fine with any > kernel version as long as nouveau is disabled. FAIL. I actually tried that. Have you? Do you think it is remotely easy for a technically component, non-Xorg-hacker type to accomplish? I attempted to use the non-default 'nv' driver just before nouveau was merged into upstream/staging, because I wanted a development kernel that actually worked on my Fedora-based devel boxes. It was a complete exercise in frustration, requiring at least one bugzilla bug report, and ultimately resulted in failure. I gave up and waiting for Linus to merge nouveau, which instantly made my life a lot easier :) Kernel hacking on Fedora, my own dogfood, has become increasingly cumbersome because of all these graphics issues. Sometimes it's just easier to test a modern kernel on an ancient distro, sadly. Jeff