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From: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
To: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
Cc: "linux-ide@vger.kernel.org" <linux-ide@vger.kernel.org>,
	lkml <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Daniel Taylor <Daniel.Taylor@wdc.com>,
	Jeff Garzik <jeff@garzik.org>, Mark Lord <kernel@teksavvy.com>,
	tytso@mit.edu, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	hirofumi@mail.parknet.co.jp,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	irtiger@gmail.com, Matthew Wilcox <matthew@wil.cx>,
	aschnell@suse.de, knikanth@suse.de, jdelvare@suse.de
Subject: Re: ATA 4 KiB sector issues.
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 09:20:41 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4B96E5D9.5070508@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <201003100046.24695.arnd@arndb.de>

On 03/10/2010 08:46 AM, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> On Monday 08 March 2010 04:48:35 Tejun Heo wrote:
>> Unfortunately, while Windows can assume that newer releases won't
>> share the hard drive with older releases including Windows XP, Linux
>> distros can't do that.  There will be many installations where a
>> modern Linux distros share a hard drive with older releases of
>> Windows.  At this point, I can't see a silver bullet solution.
>>
>> Partitioners maybe should only align partitions which will be used by
>> Linux and default to the traditional layout for others while allowing
>> explicit override.  I think Windows XP wouldn't have problem with
>> differently aligned partitions as long as it doesn't actually use them
>> but haven't tested it.
> 
> Any idea if XP can cope with partition tables that use a 32-sector, 128-head
> geometry rather than the default 63-sector, 255-head one? That seems to
> be what some flash memory cards are using and it would make any cylinder
> aligned partition also 4096-byte aligned, at the cost of moving the
> 1024-cylinder boundary from 7.88 GiB to 2 GiB.
> 
> Do we know of anything that requires 63s/255h?

Michal Soltys pointed out that XP doesn't really depend on the legacy
layout although 2000 does (can't boot), so I guess it shouldn't be
much of a problem.

Regarding the gemetry, IIUC changing it isn't meaningful for
compatibility.  Geometry information is obtained using a BIOS call
(the int Xh thing) and the hard disk itself doesn't carry that
information , so unless you go into the BIOS set up and enter those
values manually (and I don't think you can do that on many BIOSs these
days), there's no way for anyone else to know custom geometry other
than solving equations using the CHS and LBA information in the
partition table.

So, feeding custom geometry to a partitioner which uses CHS to
determine the layout is useful to make it create partitions aligned in
certain way but as the information regarding the geometry is not
recorded anywhere, others will just keep using whatever they were
using (255*63) and figure that CHS and LBA in the partition tables
just don't match.

Thanks.

-- 
tejun

  reply	other threads:[~2010-03-10  0:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 129+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-03-08  3:48 ATA 4 KiB sector issues Tejun Heo
2010-03-08  5:38 ` Greg Freemyer
2010-03-08  7:00 ` James Bottomley
2010-03-08  7:53   ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-03-08 15:34     ` Martin K. Petersen
2010-03-09 22:36       ` Daniel Taylor
2010-03-09 22:46     ` Greg Freemyer
2010-03-10  0:05       ` Tejun Heo
2010-03-10  0:14         ` Daniel Taylor
2010-03-10  0:26           ` Tejun Heo
2010-03-10  0:36             ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-03-10  5:17           ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-03-10  7:09           ` Gabor Gombas
2010-03-10  0:32       ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-03-10 10:46         ` Johannes Stezenbach
2010-03-10 11:22           ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-03-08  7:56   ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-03-08 15:33   ` Martin K. Petersen
2010-03-08 15:38     ` Martin K. Petersen
2010-03-08 15:41       ` Martin K. Petersen
2010-03-08 18:50         ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-03-08 18:58           ` James Bottomley
2010-03-08 19:11             ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-03-08 20:02             ` Cláudio Martins
2010-03-08 21:07               ` Martin K. Petersen
2010-03-08 20:19           ` Martin K. Petersen
2010-03-08 21:16             ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-03-10  0:34           ` Tejun Heo
2010-03-10  7:53         ` Matthew Wilcox
2010-03-10 13:47           ` Jeff Garzik
2010-03-10 16:19             ` Damian Lukowski
2010-03-11 13:04               ` Theodore Tso
2010-03-11 13:57                 ` Nikanth Karthikesan
2010-03-11 14:28                   ` Theodore Tso
2010-03-11 14:39                     ` James Bottomley
2010-03-11 15:05                       ` Nikanth Karthikesan
2010-03-11 15:25                         ` tytso
2010-03-11 16:26                           ` Gene Heskett
2010-03-11 16:34                           ` Greg Freemyer
2010-03-12  1:09                             ` Tejun Heo
2010-03-11 14:48                     ` Mike Snitzer
2010-03-11 15:00                     ` Nikanth Karthikesan
2010-03-11 15:10                       ` Tejun Heo
2010-03-11 16:01                       ` Mike Snitzer
2010-03-11 18:26                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-03-11 16:33                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-03-08 15:18 ` Martin K. Petersen
2010-03-08 18:29   ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-03-08 20:01     ` Martin K. Petersen
2010-03-08 19:34   ` Mike Snitzer
2010-03-09  2:53     ` Tejun Heo
2010-03-09  3:20       ` Martin K. Petersen
2010-03-09  6:53     ` Michael Tokarev
2010-03-09 10:01       ` Karel Zak
2010-03-09 10:16         ` Michael Tokarev
2010-03-09 11:15           ` Dave Chinner
2010-03-09 11:38             ` Michael Tokarev
2010-03-09 12:20               ` Dave Chinner
2010-03-09 11:50           ` Karel Zak
2010-03-09 12:18           ` Karel Zak
2010-03-10  5:06             ` Martin K. Petersen
2010-03-10 20:50               ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2010-03-10  4:57       ` Martin K. Petersen
2010-03-08 19:58   ` Karel Zak
2010-03-09  2:34     ` Tejun Heo
2010-03-09  2:42       ` Jeff Garzik
2010-03-09  2:49         ` Tejun Heo
2010-03-09  2:42       ` Tejun Heo
2010-03-09  3:11         ` Martin K. Petersen
2010-03-09  3:09       ` Martin K. Petersen
2010-03-09  3:38       ` Daniel Taylor
2010-03-09  4:54         ` Martin K. Petersen
2010-03-09  7:27     ` Jim Meyering
2010-03-09 23:56       ` Tejun Heo
2010-03-08 20:12   ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-03-09  2:22     ` Tejun Heo
2010-03-09  2:44   ` Tejun Heo
2010-03-09  3:18     ` Martin K. Petersen
2010-03-09 14:32       ` Mark Lord
2010-03-09  6:34 ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2010-03-09 10:06   ` Michal Soltys
2010-03-10  0:11     ` Tejun Heo
2010-03-14 21:09       ` Michal Soltys
2010-03-14 22:56         ` s ponnusa
2010-03-09 13:55 ` Mark Lord
2010-03-10  0:00   ` Tejun Heo
2010-03-10  6:08     ` Mark Lord
2010-03-09 23:46 ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-03-10  0:20   ` Tejun Heo [this message]
2010-03-10  9:14   ` Denys Vlasenko
2010-03-15  1:21     ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-03-15  2:26       ` Denys Vlasenko
2010-03-15  2:56         ` Greg Freemyer
2010-03-15  4:00         ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-03-15 12:30           ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-03-15  5:20         ` david
2010-03-15  9:56           ` Denys Vlasenko
2010-03-15 14:47             ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-03-16  2:30     ` Tejun Heo
2010-03-16  2:32       ` Tejun Heo
2010-03-16  6:14       ` James Bottomley
2010-03-16  6:22         ` Tejun Heo
2010-03-16 13:24           ` James Bottomley
2010-03-16 13:56             ` Tejun Heo
2010-03-16 14:21               ` James Bottomley
2010-03-16 14:25                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-03-16 14:50                 ` Tejun Heo
2010-03-16 15:02                   ` James Bottomley
2010-03-16 15:20                     ` Tejun Heo
2010-03-16 15:22                       ` Martin K. Petersen
2010-03-17  2:07                         ` Tejun Heo
2010-03-16 15:23                       ` James Bottomley
2010-03-16 15:37                         ` Tejun Heo
2010-03-16 20:42                           ` Ric Wheeler
2010-03-17  2:04                             ` Tejun Heo
2010-03-17  2:51                         ` Kevin Easton
2010-03-17  3:44                           ` Tejun Heo
2010-03-17  8:01                             ` jdow
2010-03-17 17:04                       ` Bill Davidsen
2010-03-16 14:38               ` Denys Vlasenko
2010-03-16 15:12                 ` Tejun Heo
2010-03-16 15:25                   ` Denys Vlasenko
2010-03-16 15:47                     ` Tejun Heo
2010-03-17  6:48             ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-03-16  6:27         ` Thomas Chou
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2010-03-12  3:10 H. Peter Anvin
2010-03-16 22:21 H. Peter Anvin
2010-03-17 15:08 ` Ric Wheeler
2010-03-17 17:13   ` H. Peter Anvin

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