From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1758234Ab0ERRHp (ORCPT ); Tue, 18 May 2010 13:07:45 -0400 Received: from terminus.zytor.com ([198.137.202.10]:46306 "EHLO mail.zytor.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1757854Ab0ERRHj (ORCPT ); Tue, 18 May 2010 13:07:39 -0400 Message-ID: <4BF2C881.60807@zytor.com> Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 10:04:01 -0700 From: "H. Peter Anvin" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100430 Fedora/3.0.4-2.fc12 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Peter Zijlstra CC: Andi Kleen , Arjan van de Ven , Dan Magenheimer , Thomas Gleixner , Venkatesh Pallipadi , Ingo Molnar , chris.mason@oracle.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: [PATCH] x86: Export tsc related information in sysfs References: <1273887635-27610-1-git-send-email-venki@google.com> <87tyq9mqrz.fsf@basil.nowhere.org> <35aa841b-e151-424d-b1c1-0c03dbcae5cc@default> <20100515121424.38f5b389@infradead.org> <20100515224305.17a04022@infradead.org> <5adf3fee-0f7b-4039-b13f-619640cc4b88@default> <20100516220638.2baf315d@infradead.org> <1274176698.5605.7358.camel@twins> <20100518112509.GD22675@basil.fritz.box> <1274183935.5605.7726.camel@twins> <4BF2C30F.6030502@zytor.com> <1274201536.5605.8347.camel@twins> In-Reply-To: <1274201536.5605.8347.camel@twins> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On 05/18/2010 09:52 AM, Peter Zijlstra wrote: > On Tue, 2010-05-18 at 09:40 -0700, H. Peter Anvin wrote: >> >> The problem is that you throw the baby (vsyscall) out with the bathwater >> (user rdtsc). > > Well, we could only flip the CR4 bit when we mark the TSC unsuitable for > gtod. That should be plenty good to tag all userspace trying to use it, > since more than half my machines don't use TSC for clocksource. This might be an option, although it would have to be an *option*. There are restricted uses of the TSC in userspace which are still useful (mainly involving performance analysis and/or CPU-locked processes). -hpa -- H. Peter Anvin, Intel Open Source Technology Center I work for Intel. I don't speak on their behalf.