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From: Arjan van de Ven <arjan@linux.intel.com>
To: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
Cc: Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>,
	torvalds@linux-foundation.org, mingo@elte.hu,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, jeff@garzik.org,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, rusty@rustcorp.com.au,
	cl@linux-foundation.org, dhowells@redhat.com, oleg@redhat.com,
	axboe@kernel.dk, dwalker@codeaurora.org,
	stefanr@s5r6.in-berlin.de, florian@mickler.org,
	andi@firstfloor.org, mst@redhat.com, randy.dunlap@oracle.com,
	Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 34/35] async: use workqueue for worker pool
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2010 11:22:12 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4C2A39D4.8040505@linux.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4C2A385B.3010909@kernel.org>

On 6/29/2010 11:15 AM, Tejun Heo wrote:
> Hello, Arjan.
>
> On 06/29/2010 08:07 PM, Arjan van de Ven wrote:
>    
>> we might be talking past eachother. ;-)
>>
>> let me define an example that is simple so that we can get on the same page
>>
>> assume a system with "enough" cpus, say 32.
>> lets say we have 2 async tasks, that each do an mdelay(1000); (yes I
>> know stupid, but exagerating things makes things easier to talk about)
>>      
> That's the main point to discuss tho.  If you exaggerate the use case
> out of proportion, you'll end up with something which in the end is
> useful only in the imagination and we'll be doing things just because
> we can.  Creating full number of unbound threads might look like a
> good idea to extract maximum cpu parallelism if you exaggerate the use
> case like the above but with the current actual use case, it's not
> gonna buy us anything and might even cost us more via unnecessary
> thread creations.
>    

I'm not trying to suggest "unbound".
I'm trying to suggest "don't start bounding until you hit # threads >= # 
cpus
you have some clever tricks to deal with bounding things; but lets make 
sure that the simple case
of having less work to run in parallel than the number of cpus gets 
dealt with simple and unbound.
You also consolidate the thread pools so that you have one global pool, 
so unlike the current situation
where you get O(Nr pools * Nr cpus), you only get O(Nr cpus) number of 
threads... that's not too burdensome imo.
If you want to go below that then I think you're going too far in 
reducing the number of threads in your pool. Really.


so... back to my question; will those two tasks run in parallel or 
sequential ?


  reply	other threads:[~2010-06-29 18:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 98+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-06-28 21:03 [PATCHSET] workqueue: concurrency managed workqueue, take#6 Tejun Heo
2010-06-28 21:03 ` [PATCH 01/35] kthread: implement kthread_worker Tejun Heo
2010-06-28 21:03 ` [PATCH 02/35] ivtv: use kthread_worker instead of workqueue Tejun Heo
2010-07-05 17:11   ` Andy Walls
2010-07-06  7:01     ` Tejun Heo
2010-07-09 13:15       ` Andy Walls
2010-06-28 21:03 ` [PATCH 03/35] kthread: implement kthread_data() Tejun Heo
2010-06-28 21:03 ` [PATCH 04/35] acpi: use queue_work_on() instead of binding workqueue worker to cpu0 Tejun Heo
2010-06-28 21:03 ` [PATCH 05/35] workqueue: kill RT workqueue Tejun Heo
2010-06-28 21:03 ` [PATCH 06/35] workqueue: misc/cosmetic updates Tejun Heo
2010-06-28 21:03 ` [PATCH 07/35] workqueue: merge feature parameters into flags Tejun Heo
2010-06-28 21:03 ` [PATCH 08/35] workqueue: define masks for work flags and conditionalize STATIC flags Tejun Heo
2010-06-28 21:03 ` [PATCH 09/35] workqueue: separate out process_one_work() Tejun Heo
2010-06-28 21:03 ` [PATCH 10/35] workqueue: temporarily remove workqueue tracing Tejun Heo
2010-06-28 21:03 ` [PATCH 11/35] workqueue: kill cpu_populated_map Tejun Heo
2010-06-28 21:04 ` [PATCH 12/35] workqueue: update cwq alignement Tejun Heo
2010-06-28 22:47   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-06-29  7:39     ` Tejun Heo
2010-06-29 12:36       ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-06-29 15:42         ` Tejun Heo
2010-06-29 15:47           ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-06-29 15:51             ` Tejun Heo
2010-06-29 16:01               ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-06-29 16:09                 ` Tejun Heo
2010-06-29 16:17                   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-07-06 14:22                   ` Christoph Lameter
2010-07-06 14:26                     ` Tejun Heo
2010-06-29  8:12     ` [PATCH UPDATED " Tejun Heo
2010-06-29 13:39       ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-06-28 21:04 ` [PATCH 13/35] workqueue: reimplement workqueue flushing using color coded works Tejun Heo
2010-06-28 21:04 ` [PATCH 14/35] workqueue: introduce worker Tejun Heo
2010-06-28 21:04 ` [PATCH 15/35] workqueue: reimplement work flushing using linked works Tejun Heo
2010-06-28 21:04 ` [PATCH 16/35] workqueue: implement per-cwq active work limit Tejun Heo
2010-06-28 21:04 ` [PATCH 17/35] workqueue: reimplement workqueue freeze using max_active Tejun Heo
2010-06-28 21:04 ` [PATCH 18/35] workqueue: introduce global cwq and unify cwq locks Tejun Heo
2010-06-28 21:04 ` [PATCH 19/35] workqueue: implement worker states Tejun Heo
2010-06-28 21:04 ` [PATCH 20/35] workqueue: reimplement CPU hotplugging support using trustee Tejun Heo
2010-06-28 21:04 ` [PATCH 21/35] workqueue: make single thread workqueue shared worker pool friendly Tejun Heo
2010-06-28 21:04 ` [PATCH 22/35] workqueue: add find_worker_executing_work() and track current_cwq Tejun Heo
2010-06-28 21:04 ` [PATCH 23/35] workqueue: carry cpu number in work data once execution starts Tejun Heo
2010-06-28 21:04 ` [PATCH 24/35] workqueue: implement WQ_NON_REENTRANT Tejun Heo
2010-06-28 21:04 ` [PATCH 25/35] workqueue: use shared worklist and pool all workers per cpu Tejun Heo
2010-06-28 21:04 ` [PATCH 26/35] workqueue: implement worker_{set|clr}_flags() Tejun Heo
2010-06-28 21:04 ` [PATCH 27/35] workqueue: implement concurrency managed dynamic worker pool Tejun Heo
2010-07-09  9:11   ` Yong Zhang
2010-07-12  8:53     ` [PATCH] workqueue: fix locking in retry path of maybe_create_worker() Tejun Heo
2010-07-12 13:23       ` Yong Zhang
2010-07-14  9:37         ` Tejun Heo
2010-06-28 21:04 ` [PATCH 28/35] workqueue: increase max_active of keventd and kill current_is_keventd() Tejun Heo
2010-06-28 21:04 ` [PATCH 29/35] workqueue: s/__create_workqueue()/alloc_workqueue()/, and add system workqueues Tejun Heo
2010-06-28 21:04 ` [PATCH 30/35] workqueue: implement several utility APIs Tejun Heo
2010-06-28 21:04 ` [PATCH 31/35] workqueue: implement high priority workqueue Tejun Heo
2010-06-28 21:04 ` [PATCH 32/35] workqueue: implement cpu intensive workqueue Tejun Heo
2010-06-28 21:04 ` [PATCH 33/35] libata: take advantage of cmwq and remove concurrency limitations Tejun Heo
2010-06-28 22:32   ` Jeff Garzik
2010-06-29  7:00     ` Tejun Heo
2010-06-28 21:04 ` [PATCH 34/35] async: use workqueue for worker pool Tejun Heo
2010-06-28 22:55   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-06-29  7:25     ` Tejun Heo
2010-06-29 12:18       ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-06-29 15:46         ` Tejun Heo
2010-06-29 15:52           ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-06-29 15:55             ` Tejun Heo
2010-06-29 16:40               ` Arjan van de Ven
2010-06-29 16:59                 ` Tejun Heo
2010-06-29 17:12                   ` Tejun Heo
2010-06-29 18:08                     ` Arjan van de Ven
2010-06-29 18:07                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2010-06-29 18:15                     ` Tejun Heo
2010-06-29 18:22                       ` Arjan van de Ven [this message]
2010-06-29 18:34                         ` Tejun Heo
2010-06-29 18:41                           ` Arjan van de Ven
2010-06-29 18:59                             ` Tejun Heo
2010-06-29 21:37                 ` David Howells
2010-07-02  9:17                   ` [PATCHSET] workqueue: implement and use WQ_UNBOUND Tejun Heo
2010-07-02  9:19                     ` [PATCH 1/4] workqueue: prepare for WQ_UNBOUND implementation Tejun Heo
2010-07-02  9:24                     ` [PATCH 3/4] workqueue: remove WQ_SINGLE_CPU and use WQ_UNBOUND instead Tejun Heo
2010-07-02  9:25                     ` [PATCH 4/4] async: use workqueue for worker pool Tejun Heo
2010-07-02 15:09                       ` Stefan Richter
2010-07-02 16:26                         ` Tejun Heo
2010-07-02 16:25                       ` [PATCH UPDATED " Tejun Heo
2010-07-02  9:28                     ` [PATCH 2/4] workqueue: implement unbound workqueue Tejun Heo
2010-07-02  9:32                     ` [PATCHSET] workqueue: implement and use WQ_UNBOUND Tejun Heo
2010-07-07  5:41                     ` Tejun Heo
2010-07-14  9:39                       ` Tejun Heo
2010-07-02  9:20                   ` [PATCH 2/4] workqueue: implement unbound workqueue Tejun Heo
2010-07-20 22:01                   ` [PATCHSET] workqueue: implement and use WQ_UNBOUND David Howells
2010-06-28 21:04 ` [PATCH 35/35] pcrypt: use HIGHPRI and CPU_INTENSIVE workqueues for padata Tejun Heo
2010-06-28 23:18 ` [PATCHSET] workqueue: concurrency managed workqueue, take#6 Frederic Weisbecker
2010-06-29  7:05   ` Tejun Heo
2010-07-02  8:32 ` [PATCHSET] workqueue: fixes on top of cmwq take#6 Tejun Heo
2010-07-02  8:33   ` [PATCH 1/4] workqueue: use worker_set/clr_flags() only from worker itself Tejun Heo
2010-07-02  8:34   ` [PATCH 2/4] workqueue: fix race condition in flush_workqueue() Tejun Heo
2010-07-02  8:35   ` [PATCH 3/4] workqueue: fix incorrect cpu number BUG_ON() in get_work_gcwq() Tejun Heo
2010-07-02  8:35   ` [PATCH 4/4] workqueue: fix worker management invocation without pending works Tejun Heo
2010-07-19 14:51 ` [PATCHSET] workqueue: concurrency managed workqueue, take#6 Tejun Heo
2010-07-21 13:23 ` David Howells
2010-07-21 14:52   ` Tejun Heo

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