From: David Newall <davidn@davidnewall.com>
To: "Ted Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>,
Martin Steigerwald <Martin@lichtvoll.de>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: stable? quality assurance?
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 16:16:13 +0930 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4C3ABA35.7020507@davidnewall.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100711131640.GA3503@thunk.org>
Ted Ts'o wrote:
> It is possible to do other types of release strategies, but look at
> Debian Obsolete^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H Stable if you want to see what happens
> if you insist on waiting until all release blockers are fixed
I don't know if Ted intended to be snide, but that is how he sounded.
And yet, his comment was a fair reflection of how core developers seem
to feel about stability, namely that a stable kernel is obsolete and
therefore not particularly desirable. (I use the word "stable" in it's
common English meaning, not the almost inexplicable Tux variation.)
I think the truth is that linux kernels are only ever stable as released
by distributions, and then only the more conservative of them. What
comes direct from kernel.org, I mean those called "latest stable", are
an exercise in dissembling. It's stable because someone calls it
stable, even though it crashes and has regressions? That's not stable,
that's just misleading.
Stable kernels *could* be stable. Debian succeeds. If it takes them a
long time, that is only because the core developers fail to release
reasonable quality kernels. Don't sneer at them because they do the
right thing; do the right thing yourself so that they can produce more
timely updates.
I don't expect fair consideration of these comments; why change when
shooting the messenger is so much more satisfying?
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2010-07-12 6:51 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 72+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-07-11 7:18 stable? quality assurance? Martin Steigerwald
2010-07-11 8:39 ` Eric Dumazet
2010-07-11 14:22 ` Martin Steigerwald
2010-07-11 14:52 ` Martin Steigerwald
2010-07-11 15:58 ` William Pitcock
2010-07-11 16:34 ` Eric Dumazet
2010-07-16 6:59 ` Greg KH
2010-08-05 3:27 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2010-07-11 17:04 ` Heinz Diehl
2010-07-11 13:16 ` Ted Ts'o
2010-07-11 18:02 ` Anca Emanuel
2010-07-12 6:46 ` David Newall [this message]
[not found] ` <AANLkTilGjfx9sb66qVfZn1SeFPURHUrrdE7JCrild8VX@mail.gmail.com>
2010-07-12 12:35 ` Fwd: " Marcin Letyns
2010-07-12 12:42 ` Alexey Dobriyan
[not found] ` <AANLkTik64lxDiCN-eRo3i_-cTqAvCzbaRI4EEXoD44Vj@mail.gmail.com>
2010-07-12 12:52 ` Fwd: " Marcin Letyns
2010-07-12 14:57 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2010-07-12 15:56 ` David Newall
2010-07-12 17:48 ` Marcin Letyns
2010-07-12 18:00 ` Stefan Richter
2010-07-12 19:58 ` David Newall
2010-07-12 21:11 ` Stefan Richter
2010-07-12 21:39 ` Martin Steigerwald
2010-07-12 22:44 ` Stefan Richter
2010-07-15 7:23 ` david
2010-07-13 16:50 ` Theodore Tso
2010-07-13 20:45 ` David Newall
2010-07-14 6:33 ` Theodore Tso
2010-09-04 17:12 ` Martin Steigerwald
2010-07-11 13:56 ` Lee Mathers
2010-07-11 14:51 ` Martin Steigerwald
2010-07-11 17:22 ` Willy Tarreau
2010-07-11 21:38 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-07-12 4:17 ` Willy Tarreau
2010-07-12 9:56 ` Martin Steigerwald
2010-07-12 15:43 ` Martin Steigerwald
2010-07-12 17:36 ` Willy Tarreau
2010-07-12 19:56 ` Martin Steigerwald
2010-07-12 23:03 ` Stefan Richter
2010-07-13 10:30 ` Martin Steigerwald
2010-07-15 7:32 ` david
2010-07-12 17:55 ` Stefan Richter
2010-09-04 16:38 ` Martin Steigerwald
2010-09-04 18:46 ` Ted Ts'o
2010-09-04 19:11 ` Martin Steigerwald
2010-09-04 23:23 ` Ted Ts'o
2010-09-05 7:59 ` Martin Steigerwald
2010-09-04 19:24 ` Stefan Richter
2010-09-04 19:34 ` Stefan Richter
2010-09-04 20:21 ` Martin Steigerwald
2010-09-04 22:50 ` Stefan Richter
2010-09-04 23:16 ` Ted Ts'o
2010-09-05 8:35 ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-05 9:48 ` Martin Steigerwald
2010-07-11 19:49 ` Stefan Richter
2010-07-13 11:11 ` Alejandro Riveira Fernández
2010-07-13 12:50 ` rt2x00: slow wifi with correct basic rate bitmap (was Re: stable? quality assurance?) Stefan Richter
2010-07-13 15:35 ` John W. Linville
2010-07-13 18:19 ` Alejandro Riveira Fernández
2010-07-13 18:38 ` John W. Linville
2010-07-13 19:07 ` Alejandro Riveira Fernández
2010-07-13 18:06 ` Alejandro Riveira Fernández
2010-07-13 19:18 ` Stefan Richter
2010-07-12 19:46 ` stable? quality assurance? Nix
[not found] ` <AANLkTimEdVsmIgXBbmhsq75ElQvGAI8avsM8-wlDpm4z@mail.gmail.com>
2010-07-15 9:09 ` Valeo de Vries
2010-07-16 7:00 ` Greg KH
2010-07-16 7:19 ` Justin P. Mattock
2010-07-16 15:25 ` Randy Dunlap
2010-07-16 15:34 ` Valeo de Vries
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2010-09-04 16:42 Martin Steigerwald
2010-09-04 17:22 ` Willy Tarreau
2010-09-04 19:33 ` Martin Steigerwald
2010-09-04 20:19 ` Willy Tarreau
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