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From: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
To: Kay Sievers <kay.sievers@vrfy.org>
Cc: Greg KH <gregkh@suse.de>, john stultz <johnstul@us.ibm.com>,
	Alexander Shishkin <virtuoso@slind.org>,
	lkml@vger.kernel.org, "Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill@shutemov.name>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Martin Schwidefsky <schwidefsky@de.ibm.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Jon Hunter <jon-hunter@ti.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>, Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>,
	John Kacur <jkacur@redhat.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] [RFC] notify userspace about time changes
Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2010 15:43:07 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4C5B3E7B.6060505@zytor.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinOxPoyPx3ERFKGFA+iLkvv==1=AYdtMsssvfRs@mail.gmail.com>

On 08/05/2010 03:39 PM, Kay Sievers wrote:
>>
>> Okay, what's wrong with having a file descriptor that gets *written to*
>> on a notification?
> 
> Because it needs documentation, and is just not needed for such a
> simple thing, I think. Why would you want to write a fd number to a
> magic file, which can be your fd right away, even passing you the data
> on read().
> 

I didn't mean that, I meant a note that you open and get a pipe/socket/*.

>> Why POLL_ERR?
> 
> Because normal files can not be poll()ed, and it's not that new data
> has arrived, it just tells you to rewind and read it again. It's
> commonly used:
>   http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commitdiff;h=5addc5dd8836aa061f6efc4a0d9ba6323726297a

It makes sense there, I guess, as some kind of sideband notification is
highly useful.  Too bad we don't have a generic mechanism on files other
than inotify... a lot of things could use it (including tail, which I
think uses inotify now.)

	-hpa


  reply	other threads:[~2010-08-05 22:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-08-04 12:48 [PATCH] [RFC] notify userspace about time changes Alexander Shishkin
2010-08-04 12:54 ` Bastien ROUCARIES
2010-08-04 15:49   ` Alexander Shishkin
2010-08-04 15:32 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2010-08-04 15:46   ` Alexander Shishkin
2010-08-05 10:05     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2010-08-04 15:58 ` john stultz
2010-08-04 18:48   ` Chris Friesen
2010-08-05  0:52     ` john stultz
2010-08-05 12:39       ` Alexander Shishkin
2010-08-05 14:10       ` Chris Friesen
2010-08-05 12:33   ` Alexander Shishkin
2010-08-05 21:11     ` john stultz
2010-08-05 21:38       ` Greg KH
2010-08-05 22:22         ` Kay Sievers
2010-08-05 22:34           ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-08-05 22:39             ` Kay Sievers
2010-08-05 22:43               ` H. Peter Anvin [this message]
2010-08-05 22:38           ` Greg KH
2010-08-06  7:21             ` Alexander Shishkin
2010-08-06 23:44               ` Greg KH
2010-08-06  7:11           ` Alexander Shishkin
2010-08-06  7:43           ` Bastien ROUCARIES
2010-08-05 22:17       ` Kay Sievers
2010-08-05 22:29         ` john stultz
2010-08-05 22:30           ` john stultz
2010-08-05 23:50           ` Kay Sievers
2010-08-06  0:16             ` john stultz

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