From: Vladislav Bolkhovitin <vst@vlnb.net>
To: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@suse.de>
Cc: "Nicholas A. Bellinger" <nab@linux-iscsi.org>,
Dmitry Torokhov <dmitry.torokhov@gmail.com>,
Dirk Meister <dmeister@uni-paderborn.de>,
linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org, Chetan Loke <chetanloke@gmail.com>,
Chetan Loke <generationgnu@yahoo.com>,
scst-devel <scst-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Mike Christie <michaelc@cs.wisc.edu>,
FUJITA Tomonori <fujita.tomonori@lab.ntt.co.jp>
Subject: Re: [Scst-devel] Fwd: Re: linuxcon 2010...
Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2010 01:47:42 +0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4C85617E.2080603@vlnb.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1283769578.15944.1293.camel@mulgrave.site>
James Bottomley, on 09/06/2010 02:39 PM wrote:
>>>> Anyways, if we are going to compare SCM distributed vs. centralized
>>>> workflow in terms of kernel projects, lets please at least compare
>>>> apples to apples here.
>>>
>>> No, we should not be comparing SCMs at all here but rather 2 competing
>>> implementations based on quality of the code. You tried to bring SMC
>>> angle in and I am saying that it is BS.
>>
>> Again, without getting into another pointless flamewar, I think the
>> main point here is that a open source project using a distributed
>> workflow (like git) has major advantages when it comes to working with a
>> larger group of developers than a centralized model (like SVN) does.
>>
>> Because being a subsystem maintainer typically involves this type of
>> complex workflow involving lots of different parties, git is a tool that
>> was created (originally) expressely for a kernel workflow, and for those
>> types of people it works really, really well.
>
> Oh, for god's sake children. Why does every LIO vs SCST discussion turn
> into a pointless flameware over stuff no-one really cares about? If
> none of you has anything substantive to say: don't say it.
James, sorry, but you can't blame us. I keep asking for clear rules and
don't receive much. So, there are speculations and pseudo-rules, which
sometimes go to the absurd, as in this SVN vs Git case. No surprise
then, that people have risen against this absurd (thanks a lot to them
for support!).
Frankly, in all the situation around Linux SCSI targets I for quite a
long time feeling myself as a hero of a Kafka novel. Supposed to be
goals are to have the best code doing its job the best, but on practice
nobody cares about technical arguments and figuring out which subsystem
is the best. Instead, everything lives it own incomprehensible life,
where doesn't matter what you are doing, all already long ago decided
behind your back and you will never be told why. All accurate statements
not heard or, at best, called "handwaving", but dirty public opinion
manipulations based on half- and less-than-half- truth have very warn
welcome. This atmosphere is unhealthy, really.
> Since patches into SCSI go over the mailing list for review and
> integration (and running checkpatch.pl on ... this would be a hint), I
> don't really give a toss how they're generated.
Great to hear that! Thanks!
Vlad
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2010-09-06 21:48 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 90+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-08-18 14:58 [Scst-devel] Fwd: Re: linuxcon 2010 Chetan Loke
2010-08-18 15:11 ` James Bottomley
[not found] ` <AANLkTimJGxn=5kEMH68XVWqFcYG3vpfLjLjZpFGqhG_4@mail.gmail.com>
2010-08-18 15:30 ` Bart Van Assche
2010-08-18 16:04 ` Chetan Loke
2010-08-18 16:18 ` James Bottomley
2010-08-18 17:50 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-08-19 1:18 ` jack wang
2010-08-20 13:46 ` Ruben Laban
[not found] ` <8A96806D-6CD7-44AD-8A9D-143C098C95A4@uni-paderborn.de>
[not found] ` <1282256949.30453.278.camel@haakon2.linux-iscsi.org>
2010-08-21 18:42 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-08-21 20:25 ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
2010-08-24 18:08 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-08-21 20:43 ` James Bottomley
2010-08-22 7:39 ` Bart Van Assche
2010-08-22 20:29 ` James Bottomley
2010-08-23 13:47 ` Joe Landman
2010-08-23 15:12 ` Bart Van Assche
[not found] ` <AANLkTim-M6dfLvJQnbieFqZCGG33E+-i+u_soCq2p9f1@mail.gmail.com>
2010-08-23 16:07 ` Chetan Loke
2010-08-23 18:03 ` Chetan Loke
2010-08-24 7:25 ` Pasi Kärkkäinen
2010-08-24 14:43 ` Linux I/O subsystem performance (was: linuxcon 2010...) Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-08-24 14:55 ` Matthew Wilcox
2010-08-24 17:51 ` Linux I/O subsystem performance Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-08-24 20:40 ` Matthew Wilcox
2010-08-24 14:55 ` [Scst-devel] Fwd: Re: linuxcon 2010 Chetan Loke
[not found] ` <4C7404C4.4040704@vlnb.net>
2010-08-24 20:31 ` Linux I/O subsystem performance (was: linuxcon 2010...) Chris Worley
2010-08-25 19:12 ` Linux I/O subsystem performance Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-09-16 15:05 ` Linux I/O subsystem performance (was: linuxcon 2010...) Chris Worley
2010-08-23 19:41 ` [Scst-devel] Fwd: Re: linuxcon 2010 Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-08-24 14:41 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-08-24 14:51 ` Chris Weiss
2010-08-24 14:56 ` Matthew Wilcox
2010-08-25 22:20 ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2010-08-25 22:45 ` Ted Ts'o
2010-08-24 14:57 ` James Bottomley
2010-08-24 19:48 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-08-24 21:23 ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
2010-08-26 20:11 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-08-26 21:23 ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
2010-08-28 17:32 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-08-28 20:47 ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
2010-08-30 20:47 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-08-30 21:46 ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
2010-09-02 19:38 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-09-02 20:25 ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
2010-09-05 20:18 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2010-09-05 21:50 ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
2010-09-05 23:13 ` Mark Deneen
2010-09-06 0:12 ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
2010-09-06 0:58 ` Mark Deneen
2010-09-06 1:34 ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
2010-09-06 5:04 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2010-09-05 23:41 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2010-09-05 23:59 ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
2010-09-06 4:56 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2010-09-06 10:39 ` James Bottomley
2010-09-06 11:02 ` Bart Van Assche
2010-09-06 11:27 ` James Bottomley
2010-09-06 15:26 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-09-06 21:47 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin [this message]
2010-09-06 21:55 ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
2010-09-06 22:14 ` david
2010-09-07 0:44 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2010-09-07 3:45 ` Chetan Loke
2010-09-07 6:15 ` Bart Van Assche
2010-09-07 6:08 ` Bart Van Assche
2010-09-07 6:26 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2010-09-07 20:14 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-09-07 20:14 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-09-06 21:16 ` Greg KH
2010-09-06 17:28 ` Chetan Loke
2010-09-06 21:52 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-08-18 17:51 ` Chetan Loke
2010-08-18 16:19 ` Bart Van Assche
2010-08-18 16:28 ` Joe Landman
2010-08-18 17:52 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-08-18 15:12 ` Chetan Loke
2010-08-18 17:52 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2010-08-20 17:40 Ari Lemmke
2010-08-16 16:20 Fwd: Re: [Scst-devel] " Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-08-17 20:30 ` James Bottomley
2010-08-18 17:52 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-08-18 20:43 ` James Bottomley
2010-08-21 18:51 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-08-21 20:38 ` James Bottomley
2010-08-22 22:10 ` [Scst-devel] Fwd: " Gennadiy Nerubayev
2010-08-23 16:59 ` James Bottomley
2010-08-23 17:44 ` Bart Van Assche
2010-08-23 17:58 ` James Bottomley
2010-08-23 20:11 ` Bart Van Assche
2010-08-23 20:21 ` James Bottomley
2010-08-23 19:40 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-08-23 20:38 ` James Bottomley
2010-08-24 10:32 ` Bart Van Assche
2010-08-24 13:01 ` Chris Weiss
2010-08-24 19:53 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-08-23 19:40 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
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