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From: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
To: Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>
Cc: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Koki Sanagi <sanagi.koki@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>,
	nhorman@tuxdriver.com, scott.a.mcmillan@intel.com,
	laijs@cn.fujitsu.com, LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	eric.dumazet@gmail.com, kaneshige.kenji@jp.fujitsu.com,
	David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
	izumi.taku@jp.fujitsu.com, kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com,
	Heiko Carstens <heiko.carstens@de.ibm.com>,
	"Luck, Tony" <tony.luck@intel.com>,
	Jason Baron <jbaron@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] tracing: Cleanup the convoluted softirq tracepoints
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 15:49:14 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4CBE206A.20702@zytor.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20101019224126.GD3519@Krystal>

On 10/19/2010 03:41 PM, Mathieu Desnoyers wrote:
>>
>> OK, first of all, there are some serious WTFs here:
>>
>> # define JUMP_LABEL_INITIAL_NOP ".byte 0xe9 \n\t .long 0\n\t"
>>
>> A jump instruction is one of the worst possible NOPs.  Why are we doing
>> this?
> 
> This code is dynamically patched at boot time (and module load time) with a
> better nop, just like the function tracer does.
> 

That's just ridiculous... start out with something sane and you at least
have the chance of not having to patch it.

> Intel's manual "Intel 64 and IA-32 Architectures Optimization Reference Manual"
> 
> http://www.intel.com/Assets/PDF/manual/248966.pdf
> 
> Page C-33 (or 577 in the pdf)
> 
> "7. Selection of conditional jump instructions should be based on the
>     recommendation of section Section 3.4.1, “Branch Prediction Optimization,” to
>     improve the predictability of branches. When branches are predicted
>     successfully, the latency of jcc is effectively zero."
> 
> So it mentions "jcc", but not jmp. Is there any reason for jmp to have a higher
> latency than jcc ?
> 
> In this manual, the latency of predicted jcc is therefore 0 cycle, and its
> throughput is 0.5 cycle/insn.
> 
> NOP (page C-29) is stated to have a latency of 0.5 to 1 cycle/insn (depending on
> the exact HW), and throughput of 0.5 cycle/insn.
> 
> However, I have not found "jmp" explicitly in this listing.
> 
> So if we were executing tracepoints in a maze of jumps, we could argue that
> instruction throughput is the most important there. However, if we expect the
> common case to be surrounded by some non-ALU instructions, latency tends to
> become the most important criterion.
> 
> But I feel I might be missing something important that distinguish "jcc" from
> "jmp".

NOP has a latency of 0.5-1.0 cycle/insns, *but has no consumers*.

JMP/Jcc does have a consumer -- the IP -- and actually measuring shows
that it is much, much worse than NOP and other dummy instructions.

	-hpa

  reply	other threads:[~2010-10-19 22:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 93+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-08-23  9:41 [PATCH v4 0/5] netdev: show a process of packets Koki Sanagi
2010-08-23  9:42 ` [PATCH v4 1/5] irq: add tracepoint to softirq_raise Koki Sanagi
2010-09-03 15:29   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-09-03 15:39     ` Steven Rostedt
2010-09-03 15:42       ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-09-03 15:43     ` Steven Rostedt
2010-09-03 15:50       ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-09-06  1:46         ` Koki Sanagi
2010-09-08  8:33   ` [tip:perf/core] irq: Add " tip-bot for Lai Jiangshan
2010-09-08 11:25     ` [sparc build bug] " Ingo Molnar
2010-09-08 12:26       ` [PATCH] irq: Fix circular headers dependency Frederic Weisbecker
2010-09-09 19:54         ` [tip:perf/core] " tip-bot for Frederic Weisbecker
2010-10-18  9:44       ` [sparc build bug] Re: [tip:perf/core] irq: Add tracepoint to softirq_raise Peter Zijlstra
2010-10-18 10:11         ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-10-18 10:26           ` Heiko Carstens
2010-10-18 10:48         ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-10-19 10:58           ` Koki Sanagi
2010-10-19 11:25             ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-10-19 13:00             ` [PATCH] tracing: Cleanup the convoluted softirq tracepoints Thomas Gleixner
2010-10-19 13:08               ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-10-19 13:22               ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-10-19 13:41                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-10-19 13:54                   ` Steven Rostedt
2010-10-19 14:07                     ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-10-19 14:28                       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-10-19 19:49                         ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-10-19 20:55                           ` Steven Rostedt
2010-10-19 21:07                             ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-10-19 21:23                               ` Steven Rostedt
2010-10-19 21:48                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-10-19 22:23                                   ` Steven Rostedt
2010-10-19 22:26                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-10-19 22:27                                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-10-19 23:39                                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-10-19 23:45                                         ` Steven Rostedt
2010-10-20  0:43                                         ` Jason Baron
2010-10-19 22:41                                   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-10-19 22:49                                     ` H. Peter Anvin [this message]
2010-10-19 23:05                                       ` Steven Rostedt
2010-10-19 23:09                                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-10-20 15:27                                         ` Jason Baron
2010-10-20 15:41                                           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-10-25 21:54                                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-10-25 22:01                                             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-10-25 22:12                                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-10-25 22:19                                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-10-25 22:55                                                 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-10-26  0:39                                                   ` Steven Rostedt
2010-10-26  1:14                                                     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-10-19 22:04                                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-10-19 22:33                                   ` Steven Rostedt
2010-10-21 16:18                                     ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-10-21 17:05                                       ` Steven Rostedt
2010-10-21 19:56                                         ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-10-25 22:31                                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-10-19 21:45                             ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-10-19 22:14                               ` Steven Rostedt
2010-10-19 21:16                           ` David Daney
2010-10-19 21:32                             ` Jason Baron
2010-10-19 21:38                               ` David Daney
2010-10-19 21:47                             ` Steven Rostedt
2010-10-19 21:28                           ` Jason Baron
2010-10-19 21:55                             ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-10-19 22:17                               ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-10-20  1:36                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2010-10-20  1:52                                   ` Jason Baron
2010-10-25 22:32                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-10-19 22:38                               ` Jason Baron
2010-10-19 22:44                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-10-19 22:56                                   ` Steven Rostedt
2010-10-19 22:57                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-10-19 14:46                       ` Steven Rostedt
2010-10-19 14:00                   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-10-21 14:52               ` [tip:perf/core] " tip-bot for Thomas Gleixner
2010-08-23  9:43 ` [PATCH v4 2/5] napi: convert trace_napi_poll to TRACE_EVENT Koki Sanagi
2010-08-24  3:52   ` David Miller
2010-09-08  8:34   ` [tip:perf/core] napi: Convert " tip-bot for Neil Horman
2010-08-23  9:45 ` [PATCH v4 3/5] netdev: add tracepoints to netdev layer Koki Sanagi
2010-08-24  3:53   ` David Miller
2010-09-08  8:34   ` [tip:perf/core] netdev: Add " tip-bot for Koki Sanagi
2010-08-23  9:46 ` [PATCH v4 4/5] skb: add tracepoints to freeing skb Koki Sanagi
2010-08-24  3:53   ` David Miller
2010-09-08  8:35   ` [tip:perf/core] skb: Add " tip-bot for Koki Sanagi
2010-08-23  9:47 ` [PATCH v4 5/5] perf:add a script shows a process of packet Koki Sanagi
2010-08-24  3:53   ` David Miller
2010-09-07 16:57   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-09-08  8:35   ` [tip:perf/core] perf: Add a script to show packets processing tip-bot for Koki Sanagi
2010-08-30 23:50 ` [PATCH v4 0/5] netdev: show a process of packets Steven Rostedt
2010-09-03  2:10   ` Koki Sanagi
2010-09-03  2:17     ` David Miller
2010-09-03  2:55       ` Koki Sanagi
2010-09-03  4:46         ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-09-03  5:12           ` Koki Sanagi

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