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From: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
To: Nathan Lynch <ntl@pobox.com>
Cc: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
	Oren Laadan <orenl@cs.columbia.edu>,
	ksummit-2010-discuss@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, kapil@ccs.neu.edu,
	gene@ccs.neu.edu
Subject: Re: [Ksummit-2010-discuss] checkpoint-restart: naked patch
Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2010 08:36:16 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4CD26270.5050906@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1288835258.6132.56.camel@tp-t61>

Hello,

On 11/04/2010 02:47 AM, Nathan Lynch wrote:
>>   In this case whitelisting the allowed
>> state by requiring special APIs for all I/O (or even just standard
>> APIs as long as they are supposed by the C/R lib you're linked against)
>> is the more pragmatic, and I think faithful aproach.
> 
> I don't think users will go for it.  They'll continue to use dodgy
> out-of-tree kernel modules and/or LD_PRELOAD hacks instead of porting
> their applications to a new library.  I think a C/R library is an
> "ideal" solution, but it's one that nobody would use - especially in
> HPC, unless the library somehow provides better performance.

I hear that there are plans to integrate one of the userland
snapshotting implementations with HPC workload manager.  ISTR the
combination to be condor + dmtcp but not sure.  I think things like
that make a lot of sense.  Scientists writing programs for HPC
clusters already work in given frameworks and what those applications
do and how to recover are pretty well confined/defined.  If you
integrate snapshotting with such frameworks, it becomes pretty easy
for both the admins and users.

I'll talk about other issues in the reply to Oren's email.

Thanks.

-- 
tejun

  reply	other threads:[~2010-11-04  7:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 111+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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2010-11-02 21:35 ` [Ksummit-2010-discuss] checkpoint-restart: naked patch Tejun Heo
2010-11-02 21:47   ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-11-04  1:47     ` Nathan Lynch
2010-11-04  7:36       ` Tejun Heo [this message]
2010-11-04 16:04         ` Gene Cooperman
2010-11-04 20:45         ` Nathan Lynch
2010-11-06  6:48           ` Matt Helsley
2010-11-04  4:34     ` Oren Laadan
2010-11-04 14:25       ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-11-04  3:40   ` Kapil Arya
2010-11-04  8:05     ` Tejun Heo
2010-11-04 16:44       ` Gene Cooperman
2010-11-05  9:28         ` Tejun Heo
2010-11-05 23:18           ` Oren Laadan
2010-11-06 10:13             ` Tejun Heo
2010-11-06  0:36           ` Kapil Arya
2010-11-06 22:55             ` Oren Laadan
2010-11-07 19:42               ` Gene Cooperman
2010-11-07 21:30                 ` Oren Laadan
2010-11-07 23:05                   ` Gene Cooperman
2010-11-08  3:55                     ` Oren Laadan
2010-11-08 16:26                       ` Gene Cooperman
2010-11-08 18:14                         ` Oren Laadan
2010-11-08 18:37                           ` Gene Cooperman
2010-11-08 19:34                             ` Oren Laadan
2010-11-08 19:05                         ` Dan Smith
2010-11-17 11:14                           ` Tejun Heo
2010-11-17 15:33                             ` Dan Smith
2010-11-17 15:40                               ` Tejun Heo
2010-11-17 17:04                                 ` Alexey Dobriyan
2010-11-17 10:45             ` Tejun Heo
2010-11-17 12:12               ` Tejun Heo
2010-11-06  5:32           ` Matt Helsley
2010-11-06 15:01             ` Oren Laadan
2010-11-06 20:40             ` Gene Cooperman
2010-11-06 22:41               ` Oren Laadan
2010-11-07 18:49                 ` Gene Cooperman
2010-11-07 21:59                   ` Oren Laadan
2010-11-17 11:57                     ` Tejun Heo
2010-11-17 15:39                       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2010-11-17 15:46                         ` Tejun Heo
2010-11-18  9:13                           ` Pavel Emelyanov
2010-11-18  9:48                             ` Tejun Heo
2010-11-18 20:13                               ` Jose R. Santos
2010-11-19  3:54                               ` Serge Hallyn
2010-11-18 19:53                           ` Oren Laadan
2010-11-19  4:10                           ` Serge Hallyn
2010-11-19 14:04                             ` Tejun Heo
2010-11-19 14:36                               ` Kirill Korotaev
2010-11-19 15:33                                 ` Tejun Heo
2010-11-19 16:00                                   ` Alexey Dobriyan
2010-11-19 16:01                                     ` Alexey Dobriyan
2010-11-19 16:10                                       ` Tejun Heo
2010-11-19 16:25                                         ` Alexey Dobriyan
2010-11-19 16:06                                     ` Tejun Heo
2010-11-19 16:16                                       ` Alexey Dobriyan
2010-11-19 16:19                                         ` Tejun Heo
2010-11-19 16:27                                           ` Alexey Dobriyan
2010-11-19 16:32                                             ` Tejun Heo
2010-11-19 16:38                                               ` Alexey Dobriyan
2010-11-19 16:50                                                 ` Tejun Heo
2010-11-19 16:55                                                   ` Alexey Dobriyan
2010-11-20 17:58                                   ` Oren Laadan
2010-11-20 18:05                               ` Oren Laadan
2010-11-20 18:08                               ` Oren Laadan
2010-11-20 18:11                               ` Oren Laadan
2010-11-20 18:15                                 ` Oren Laadan
2010-11-20 19:33                                   ` Tejun Heo
2010-11-21  8:18                                     ` Gene Cooperman
2010-11-21  8:21                                       ` Gene Cooperman
2010-11-22 18:02                                         ` Sukadev Bhattiprolu
2010-11-23 17:53                                         ` Oren Laadan
2010-11-24  3:50                                           ` Kapil Arya
2010-11-25 16:04                                             ` Oren Laadan
2010-11-29  4:09                                               ` Gene Cooperman
2010-11-21 22:41                                       ` Grant Likely
2010-11-22 17:34                                       ` Oren Laadan
2010-11-22 17:18                                     ` Oren Laadan
2010-11-17 22:17                       ` Matt Helsley
2010-11-18 10:06                         ` Tejun Heo
2010-11-18 20:25                         ` Oren Laadan
2010-11-07 21:44               ` Oren Laadan
2010-11-07 23:31                 ` Gene Cooperman
2010-11-05 22:24       ` Oren Laadan
2010-11-04  4:03   ` Oren Laadan
2010-11-04  9:43     ` Tejun Heo
2010-11-04 12:48       ` Luck, Tony
2010-11-04 13:06         ` Tejun Heo
2010-11-06 10:12       ` Matt Helsley
2010-11-06 11:03         ` Tejun Heo
2010-11-07 22:59         ` Davide Libenzi
2010-11-08  2:32           ` david
2010-11-18 20:41             ` Oren Laadan
2010-11-05  3:55     ` Kapil Arya
2010-11-05 11:57       ` Luck, Tony
2010-11-05 17:17         ` Gene Cooperman
2010-11-06  1:16           ` Matt Helsley
2010-11-06  4:06             ` Oren Laadan
2010-11-06  5:18               ` Matt Helsley
2010-11-06 21:00           ` Oren Laadan
2010-11-05 17:31       ` Sukadev Bhattiprolu
2010-11-06 21:05       ` Oren Laadan
2010-11-08 16:55 ` Grant Likely
2010-11-08 21:01   ` Nathan Lynch
2010-11-11  6:27   ` Nathan Lynch
2010-11-17  5:29   ` Anton Blanchard
2010-11-17 11:08     ` Tejun Heo
2010-11-18  9:53     ` Alan Cox
2010-11-18 12:27       ` Alexey Dobriyan
2010-11-19  6:33     ` Gene Cooperman
2010-11-21 23:20     ` Grant Likely

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