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From: Luca Abeni <luca.abeni@unitn.it>
To: "James H. Anderson" <anderson@cs.unc.edu>
Cc: Raistlin <raistlin@linux.it>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>, Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
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	oleg@redhat.com, Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>,
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	Johan Eker <johan.eker@ericsson.com>,
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	Claudio Scordino <claudio@evidence.eu.com>,
	michael trimarchi <trimarchi@retis.sssup.it>,
	Fabio Checconi <fabio@gandalf.sssup.it>,
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	Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@gmail.com>,
	Nicola Manica <nicola.manica@disi.unitn.it>,
	Dhaval Giani <dhaval@retis.sssup.it>,
	Harald Gustafsson <hgu1972@gmail.com>,
	paulmck <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Bjoern Brandenburg <bbb@email.unc.edu>
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH 18/22] sched: add reclaiming logic to -deadline tasks
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 20:23:01 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4CE18895.8060101@unitn.it> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4CE17DD2.3060807@cs.unc.edu>

Hi James,

On 15/11/10 19:37, James H. Anderson wrote:
[...]
>>> The problem the stochastic execution time model tries to address is the
>>> WCET computation mess, WCET computation is hard and often overly
>>> pessimistic, resulting in under-utilized systems.
>>>
>> I know, and it's very reasonable. The point I'm trying to make is that
>> resource reservation tries to address the very same issue.
>> I am all but against this model, just want to be sure it's not too much
>> in conflict to the other features we have, especially with resource
>> reservation. Especially considering that --if I got the whole thing
>> about this scheduler right-- resource reservation is something we really
>> want, and I think UNC people would agree here, since I heard Bjorn
>> stating this very clear both in Dresden and in Dublin. :-)
>>
>> BTW, I'm adding them to the Cc, seems fair, and more useful than all
>> this speculation! :-P
>>
>> Bjorn, Jim, sorry for bothering. If you're interested, this is the very
>> beginning of the whole thread:
>> http://lkml.org/lkml/2010/10/29/67
[...]
> If you're talking about our most recent "stochastic" paper, it is about
> supporting
> soft real-time task systems on a multiprocessor where resource
> reservations are
> used. The main result of the paper is that if you provision the
> reservation for a
> task slightly higher than it's average-case execution time, and if you
> use a
> scheduling algorithm (like global EDF) that ensures bounded tardiness
> (w.r.t.
> these reservations), then the task's expected tardiness will be bounded
> and the
> expected bound does not depend on worst-case execution times. I'm not
> sure if
> slack-reallocation methods have come up in this discussion (sorry, I'm
> really
> pressed for time and didn't look), but we didn't get into that in our
> paper.
So, if I understand well (sorry, I am just trying to make a short 
summary to check if we are aligned) your analysis is similar to the one 
presented in the papers I mentioned earlier in this thread (different 
stochastic modelling, but similar approach): you analyse a reservation 
in isolation and you provide some stochastic tardiness guarantees based 
on an (e_i, p_i) service model.... Right?

If my understanding is correct (please, correct me if I am wrong), your 
analysis can be applied even with the current version of Dario's patch 
(I mean: no modifications to the patch are needed for removing 
assumptions about WCET knowledge... Your paper uses a sporadic server 
for the reservation mechanism, but I think a CBS can work too...).


			Thanks,
				Luca

  reply	other threads:[~2010-11-15 19:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 135+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-10-29  6:18 [RFC][PATCH 00/22] sched: SCHED_DEADLINE v3 Raistlin
2010-10-29  6:25 ` [RFC][PATCH 01/22] sched: add sched_class->task_dead Raistlin
2010-10-29  6:27 ` [RFC][PATCH 02/22] sched: add extended scheduling interface Raistlin
2010-11-10 16:00   ` Dhaval Giani
2010-11-10 16:12     ` Dhaval Giani
2010-11-10 22:45       ` Raistlin
2010-11-10 16:17     ` Claudio Scordino
2010-11-10 17:28   ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-10 19:26     ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-10 23:33       ` Tommaso Cucinotta
2010-11-11 12:19         ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-10 22:17     ` Raistlin
2010-11-10 22:57       ` Tommaso Cucinotta
2010-11-11 13:32       ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-11 13:54         ` Raistlin
2010-11-11 14:08           ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-11 17:27             ` Raistlin
2010-11-11 14:05         ` Dhaval Giani
2010-11-10 22:24     ` Raistlin
2010-11-10 18:50   ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-10 22:05     ` Raistlin
2010-11-12 16:38   ` Steven Rostedt
2010-11-12 16:43     ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-12 16:52       ` Steven Rostedt
2010-11-12 19:19         ` Raistlin
2010-11-12 19:23           ` Steven Rostedt
2010-11-12 17:42     ` Tommaso Cucinotta
2010-11-12 19:21       ` Steven Rostedt
2010-11-12 19:24     ` Raistlin
2010-10-29  6:28 ` [RFC][PATCH 03/22] sched: SCHED_DEADLINE data structures Raistlin
2010-11-10 18:59   ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-10 22:06     ` Raistlin
2010-11-10 19:10   ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-12 17:11     ` Steven Rostedt
2010-10-29  6:29 ` [RFC][PATCH 04/22] sched: SCHED_DEADLINE SMP-related " Raistlin
2010-11-10 19:17   ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-10-29  6:30 ` [RFC][PATCH 05/22] sched: SCHED_DEADLINE policy implementation Raistlin
2010-11-10 19:21   ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-10 19:43   ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-11  1:02     ` Raistlin
2010-11-10 19:45   ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-10 22:26     ` Raistlin
2010-11-10 20:21   ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-11  1:18     ` Raistlin
2010-11-11 13:13       ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-11 14:13   ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-11 14:28     ` Raistlin
2010-11-11 14:17   ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-11 18:33     ` Raistlin
2010-11-11 14:25   ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-11 14:33     ` Raistlin
2010-11-14  8:54   ` Raistlin
2010-11-23 14:24     ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-10-29  6:31 ` [RFC][PATCH 06/22] sched: SCHED_DEADLINE handles spacial kthreads Raistlin
2010-11-11 14:31   ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-11 14:50     ` Dario Faggioli
2010-11-11 14:34   ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-11 15:27     ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-11-11 15:43       ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-11 16:32         ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-11-13 18:35           ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-13 19:58             ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-11-13 20:31               ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-13 20:51                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-13 23:31                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-15 20:06                     ` [PATCH] sched: Simplify cpu-hot-unplug task migration Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-17 19:27                       ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-11-17 19:42                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-18 14:05                           ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-11-18 14:24                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-18 15:32                               ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-11-18 14:09                       ` [tip:sched/core] " tip-bot for Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-11 14:46   ` [RFC][PATCH 06/22] sched: SCHED_DEADLINE handles spacial kthreads Peter Zijlstra
2010-10-29  6:32 ` [RFC][PATCH 07/22] sched: SCHED_DEADLINE push and pull logic Raistlin
2010-11-12 16:17   ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-12 21:11     ` Raistlin
2010-11-14  9:14     ` Raistlin
2010-11-23 14:27       ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-10-29  6:33 ` [RFC][PATCH 08/22] sched: SCHED_DEADLINE avg_update accounting Raistlin
2010-11-11 19:16   ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-10-29  6:34 ` [RFC][PATCH 09/22] sched: add period support for -deadline tasks Raistlin
2010-11-11 19:17   ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-11 19:31     ` Raistlin
2010-11-11 19:43       ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-11 23:33         ` Tommaso Cucinotta
2010-11-12 13:33         ` Raistlin
2010-11-12 13:45           ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-12 13:46       ` Luca Abeni
2010-11-12 14:01         ` Raistlin
2010-10-29  6:35 ` [RFC][PATCH 10/22] sched: add a syscall to wait for the next instance Raistlin
2010-11-11 19:21   ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-11 19:33     ` Raistlin
2010-10-29  6:35 ` [RFC][PATCH 11/22] sched: add schedstats for -deadline tasks Raistlin
2010-10-29  6:36 ` [RFC][PATCH 12/22] sched: add runtime reporting " Raistlin
2010-11-11 19:37   ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-12 16:15     ` Raistlin
2010-11-12 16:27       ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-12 21:12         ` Raistlin
2010-10-29  6:37 ` [RFC][PATCH 13/22] sched: add resource limits " Raistlin
2010-11-11 19:57   ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-12 21:30     ` Raistlin
2010-11-12 23:32       ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-10-29  6:38 ` [RFC][PATCH 14/22] sched: add latency tracing " Raistlin
2010-10-29  6:38 ` [RFC][PATCH 15/22] sched: add traceporints " Raistlin
2010-11-11 19:54   ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-12 16:13     ` Raistlin
2010-10-29  6:39 ` [RFC][PATCH 16/22] sched: add SMP " Raistlin
2010-10-29  6:40 ` [RFC][PATCH 17/22] sched: add signaling overrunning " Raistlin
2010-11-11 21:58   ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-12 15:39     ` Raistlin
2010-11-12 16:04       ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-10-29  6:42 ` [RFC][PATCH 19/22] rtmutex: turn the plist into an rb-tree Raistlin
2010-10-29  6:42 ` [RFC][PATCH 18/22] sched: add reclaiming logic to -deadline tasks Raistlin
2010-11-11 22:12   ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-12 15:36     ` Raistlin
2010-11-12 16:04       ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-12 17:41         ` Luca Abeni
2010-11-12 17:51           ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-12 17:54             ` Luca Abeni
2010-11-13 21:08             ` Raistlin
2010-11-12 18:07           ` Tommaso Cucinotta
2010-11-12 19:07             ` Raistlin
2010-11-13  0:43             ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-13  1:49               ` Tommaso Cucinotta
2010-11-12 18:56         ` Raistlin
     [not found]           ` <80992760-24F2-42AE-AF2D-15727F6A1C81@email.unc.edu>
2010-11-15 18:37             ` James H. Anderson
2010-11-15 19:23               ` Luca Abeni [this message]
2010-11-15 19:49                 ` James H. Anderson
2010-11-15 19:39               ` Luca Abeni
2010-11-15 21:34               ` Raistlin
2010-10-29  6:43 ` [RFC][PATCH 20/22] sched: drafted deadline inheritance logic Raistlin
2010-11-11 22:15   ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-14 12:00     ` Raistlin
2010-10-29  6:44 ` [RFC][PATCH 21/22] sched: add bandwidth management for sched_dl Raistlin
2010-10-29  6:45 ` [RFC][PATCH 22/22] sched: add sched_dl documentation Raistlin

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