From: Chase Douglas <chase.douglas@canonical.com>
To: Henrik Rydberg <rydberg@euromail.se>
Cc: Dmitry Torokhov <dmitry.torokhov@gmail.com>,
Jiri Kosina <jkosina@suse.cz>,
linux-input@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] input: mt: Add an envelope tool type
Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2010 10:38:55 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4CFFD0BF.2020601@canonical.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4CFFCD10.5030202@euromail.se>
On 12/08/2010 10:23 AM, Henrik Rydberg wrote:
>>> This patch represents an MT solution for those devices that can detect
>
>>> and report some effects of dual touch, but cannot report individual
>>> contacts. Synaptics and elantech are two examples. Having the drivers
>>> report the bounding rectangle of the touches is useful in userland,
>>> since the information makes it possible to implement zooming
>>> gestures. At the same time, it would be confusing to send these
>>> envelope points as fingers, since they clearly are not. As a remedy,
>>> introduce MT_TOOL_ENVELOPE, which tells applications that care about
>>> details that these are not real fingers, at the same time as it allows
>>> gesture applications based on MT data to function without
>>> modification.
>>
>> Is it assumed that the envelop has only two touches comprising it? Or is
>> it any number of touches? If it's any number of touches, how does one
>> know how many touches it is?
>
>
> It could be any number of points, although, as you say, the exact semantics of
> multiple points have not yet been defined/documented. Traditionally, a convex
> hull is defined as a sequence of points, such that the last links to the first.
> It makes sense to define the envelope points similarly. However, we can pass
> that bridge as we get there. Right now, we have use for the two-point case. The
> number is determined the same was as for fingers - count the number of active slots.
Ahh. That leaves me with two thoughts:
1. A real convex hull would imply that the points given are correct.
This is the fundamental issue with these touchpads though, and I feel
envelope semantics would only help solve a different problem: touch
object shape.
As you noted, what we are really interested here is a bounding
rectangle. I think Ping has said that Wacom could provide something that
is similar to a real convex hull, and mixing the two concepts together
could cause another ambiguity like BTN_TOOL_DOUBLETAP :).
I suggest merely renaming this to MT_TOOL_RECT to avoid confusion.
2. We could provide for multiple simultaneous rects by using the value
of the MT_TOOL_RECT property. The first rect would have value 0, the
second would have value 1, etc. I don't know if this will ever be used
since most devices will have real MT soon enough, but it wouldn't hurt
to define this.
-- Chase
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2010-12-08 18:39 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-12-07 11:29 [PATCH] input: mt: Add an envelope tool type Henrik Rydberg
2010-12-08 17:43 ` Chase Douglas
2010-12-08 18:23 ` Henrik Rydberg
2010-12-08 18:38 ` Chase Douglas [this message]
2010-12-08 18:52 ` Henrik Rydberg
2010-12-08 19:09 ` Chase Douglas
2010-12-08 19:23 ` Henrik Rydberg
2010-12-08 19:53 ` Mohamed Ikbel Boulabiar
[not found] ` <AANLkTi=iw+7CDhbO4N9rMVSwS0t93BaaBVgoAwz-GeHo@mail.gmail.com>
2010-12-08 20:02 ` Henrik Rydberg
2010-12-08 20:17 ` Mohamed Ikbel Boulabiar
2010-12-08 20:44 ` Chase Douglas
2010-12-08 23:43 ` Ping Cheng
2010-12-08 23:58 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2010-12-09 0:06 ` Ping Cheng
2010-12-09 1:18 ` Henrik Rydberg
2010-12-09 1:22 ` Ping Cheng
2010-12-09 1:38 ` Mohamed Ikbel Boulabiar
2010-12-09 1:51 ` Henrik Rydberg
2010-12-09 1:12 ` Henrik Rydberg
2010-12-09 1:17 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2010-12-09 1:24 ` Henrik Rydberg
2010-12-09 1:20 ` Ping Cheng
2010-12-09 2:01 ` Henrik Rydberg
Reply instructions:
You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:
* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
and reply-to-all from there: mbox
Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style
* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
switches of git-send-email(1):
git send-email \
--in-reply-to=4CFFD0BF.2020601@canonical.com \
--to=chase.douglas@canonical.com \
--cc=dmitry.torokhov@gmail.com \
--cc=jkosina@suse.cz \
--cc=linux-input@vger.kernel.org \
--cc=linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org \
--cc=rydberg@euromail.se \
/path/to/YOUR_REPLY
https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html
* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line
before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox