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From: Lai Jiangshan <laijs@cn.fujitsu.com>
To: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>
Cc: Lai Jiangshan <eag0628@gmail.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Dave Young <hidave.darkstar@gmail.com>,
	Darren Hart <dvhart@linux.intel.com>,
	Namhyung Kim <namhyung@gmail.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] rtmutex: multiple candidate owners without unrelated boosting
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 12:25:21 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4D084331.3030301@cn.fujitsu.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1292346055.5015.1815.camel@gandalf.stny.rr.com>

On 12/15/2010 01:00 AM, Steven Rostedt wrote:
> On Wed, 2010-12-15 at 00:44 +0800, Lai Jiangshan wrote:
>> On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 10:01 PM, Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> This is the motivation of this patch.
>>>>
>>>> An approach(wrong): when C's priority become higher and B, we deprive
>>>> the pending ownership from B and give it to C and wakeup C.
>>>> But this approach may lead to livelock.
>>>
>>> I'm curious to how this can cause a livelock. I'm not doubting you, but
>>> I just woke up, and I'm only half way through my first cup of coffee.
>>>
>>
>> if B is deprived, B has go to sleep again. In rare condition,
>> B,C 's priority are changed frequent, the pending ownership is
>> given to B/ deprived from B and given to C/ deprived from C and given to B
>> ......
>>
>> No task can go forward, it is a kind of livelock.
> 
> Hmm, to have C and B change prios frequently, they will need to either
> have someone in some for loop doing chrt on them (which is just bad), or
> have lots of RT tasks constantly blocking on tasks that they own, which
> is also bad. I find this far from a livelock, and any case that does
> this would have more issues than causing a livelock here.
> 

Hi, Thomas,

Do you think this is a kind of livelock.
If it is not, I will send a much simpler patch.

Thanks,
Lai.

  reply	other threads:[~2010-12-15  4:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-12-14  9:04 [PATCH] rtmutex: multiple candidate owners without unrelated boosting Lai Jiangshan
2010-12-14 14:01 ` Steven Rostedt
2010-12-14 16:44   ` Lai Jiangshan
2010-12-14 17:00     ` Steven Rostedt
2010-12-15  4:25       ` Lai Jiangshan [this message]
2010-12-14 20:07 ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-12-15  3:41   ` Lai Jiangshan
2010-12-15  4:16     ` Steven Rostedt
2010-12-15  8:09       ` [PATCH] rtmutex: ensure only the top waiter or higher priority task can take the lock and reduce " Lai Jiangshan
2010-12-15 12:07         ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-12-15 14:24           ` Lai Jiangshan
2010-12-15 14:52             ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-12-15 15:01               ` Steven Rostedt
2010-12-16 20:33             ` Darren Hart
2010-12-17  3:10               ` Lai Jiangshan
2010-12-17  3:17                 ` Steven Rostedt
2010-12-17  3:30                   ` Steven Rostedt
2010-12-15 15:04         ` Steven Rostedt
2010-12-23  9:07           ` Lai Jiangshan
2010-12-23 12:56             ` Steven Rostedt
2010-12-15 21:53         ` Steven Rostedt
2010-12-16  1:14           ` Lai Jiangshan
2010-12-16 13:56             ` Steven Rostedt
2010-12-16 14:07             ` Steven Rostedt
2011-01-06 14:50         ` Steven Rostedt
2011-01-10 11:37           ` Lai Jiangshan
2011-01-10 12:57             ` Steven Rostedt
2010-12-23  8:49       ` [PATCH V3] rtmutex: ensure only the top waiter or higher priority task can take the lock and remove " Lai Jiangshan
2011-01-12 17:03         ` Steven Rostedt
2011-01-12 17:04           ` Steven Rostedt
2011-01-12 17:05             ` Steven Rostedt
2011-01-14  9:09               ` [PATCH V4] " Lai Jiangshan
2011-01-21 17:34                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-01-22 14:07                   ` Steven Rostedt
2011-01-22 14:09                     ` Steven Rostedt
2011-01-31 14:30                 ` [tip:core/locking] rtmutex: Simplify PI algorithm and make highest prio task get lock tip-bot for Lai Jiangshan
2010-12-15  7:47     ` [PATCH] rtmutex: multiple candidate owners without unrelated boosting Thomas Gleixner
2010-12-16 20:55   ` Darren Hart
2010-12-23  7:25     ` Lai Jiangshan
2010-12-14 23:16 ` Steven Rostedt
2010-12-15  2:18 ` Steven Rostedt
2010-12-15  8:02   ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-12-15 14:02     ` Steven Rostedt
2010-12-15 14:16       ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-12-15 14:32         ` Steven Rostedt
2010-12-15 14:50           ` Thomas Gleixner

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