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From: Frank Rowand <frank.rowand@am.sony.com>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Cc: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Mark Brown <broonie@opensource.wolfsonmicro.com>,
	Len Brown <len.brown@intel.com>,
	Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>,
	<linux-pm@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
	<linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Dmitry Torokhov <dmitry.torokhov@gmail.com>,
	<linux-embedded@vger.kernel.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Remove CONFIG_PM altogether, enable power management all the time
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 15:35:29 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4D51D341.3040209@am.sony.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110208122159.GA8284@elte.hu>

On 02/08/11 04:21, Ingo Molnar wrote:

< snip >

> Also, i've Cc:-ed Linus, to check whether the idea to make power management a 
> permanent, core portion of Linux has any obvious downsides we missed.
> 
> Rafael, could you do a defconfig-ish x86 build with and without CONFIG_PM, and post 
> the 'size vmlinux' comparison - so that we can see the size difference? We make some 
> things CONFIG_EXPERT configurable just to enable folks who *really* want to cut down 
> on kernel size to configure it out.

For 2.6.38-rc4, x86_64, CONFIG_NR_CPUS=4:

size vmlinux
   text     data       bss       dec      hex  filename

6553910  3555020   9994240  20103170  132c002  vmlinux    with    CONFIG_PM
6512652  3553116   9994240  20060008  1321768  vmlinux    without CONFIG_PM

  41258     1904         0     43162                      delta


That is big enough for me to care.

Turning on CONFIG_PM also forces a few other options on:

 295a296
 > CONFIG_XEN_SAVE_RESTORE=y
 422c423,431
 < # CONFIG_PM is not set
 ---
 > CONFIG_PM=y
 > # CONFIG_PM_DEBUG is not set
 > CONFIG_PM_SLEEP_SMP=y
 > CONFIG_PM_SLEEP=y
 > # CONFIG_SUSPEND is not set
 > # CONFIG_HIBERNATION is not set
 > # CONFIG_PM_RUNTIME is not set
 > CONFIG_PM_OPS=y
 > # CONFIG_ACPI is not set
 451,454c460
 < CONFIG_CPU_IDLE=y
 < CONFIG_CPU_IDLE_GOV_LADDER=y
 < CONFIG_CPU_IDLE_GOV_MENU=y
 < # CONFIG_INTEL_IDLE is not set
 ---
 > # CONFIG_CPU_IDLE is not set

> 
> Note that those usecases, even if they want a super-small kernel, might not care 
> about PM at all while they care about size: small boot kernels in ROMs, or simple 
> devices where CPU-idling implies deep low power mode, etc.
> 
> So the vmlinux size comparisons would be needed really. If it's 5k nobody will care. 
> If it's 50k-100k that's borderline. In the other side of the scale we have the 1500+
> #ifdef CONFIG_PM lines strewn around the kernel source, and the frequent !PM build
> breakages.
> 
> 	Ingo

-Frank


  parent reply	other threads:[~2011-02-08 23:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 60+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-02-07 12:22 [PATCH] PM: Hide CONFIG_PM from users Mark Brown
2011-02-07 12:40 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2011-02-07 13:26   ` Mark Brown
2011-02-07 12:48 ` Ingo Molnar
2011-02-07 13:09   ` Mark Brown
2011-02-07 14:13 ` Stephen Rothwell
2011-02-07 14:18   ` Mark Brown
2011-02-07 14:44     ` Stephen Rothwell
2011-02-07 14:50       ` Mark Brown
2011-02-07 15:00         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2011-02-07 15:10           ` Stephen Rothwell
2011-02-07 15:19             ` Stephen Rothwell
2011-02-07 15:21               ` Mark Brown
2011-02-07 15:36                 ` Alan Stern
2011-02-07 15:49                   ` Mark Brown
2011-02-07 19:16                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-02-08  1:17                     ` Ray Lee
2011-02-08 11:18                       ` Mark Brown
2011-02-07 19:14 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-02-07 19:30   ` Mark Brown
2011-02-07 19:46     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-02-07 20:18       ` Mark Brown
2011-02-07 21:15         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-02-07 21:47           ` Dmitry Torokhov
2011-02-07 22:00             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-02-07 22:23               ` Dmitry Torokhov
2011-02-07 23:05                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-02-08  0:50                   ` Dmitry Torokhov
2011-02-08  9:23                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-02-08 16:48                   ` Paul Mundt
2011-02-08 12:12           ` Mark Brown
2011-02-08 12:21           ` [PATCH] Remove CONFIG_PM altogether, enable power management all the time Ingo Molnar
2011-02-08 21:18             ` [PATCH 0/5] " Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-02-08 21:20               ` [PATCH 1/5] ACPI / PM: Move references to pm_flags into sleep.c Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-02-08 23:40                 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-02-09  0:37                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-02-09  1:04                     ` Linus Torvalds
2011-02-08 21:21               ` [PATCH 2/5] PM: Make CONFIG_PM depend on (CONFIG_PM_SLEEP || CONFIG_PM_RUNTIME) Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-02-08 21:21               ` [PATCH 3/5] PM: Reorder power management Kconfig options Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-02-08 21:22               ` [PATCH 4/5] PM: Replace CONFIG_PM_OPS with CONFIG_PM Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-02-08 21:23               ` [PATCH 5/5] PM: Clean up Kconfig dependencies Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-02-08 23:43                 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-02-10 23:32                 ` [Updated][PATCH 5/5] PM: Clean up PM_TRACE dependencies and drop unnecessary Kconfig option Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-02-08 23:35             ` Frank Rowand [this message]
2011-02-09 11:41               ` [PATCH] Remove CONFIG_PM altogether, enable power management all the time Mark Brown
2011-02-09 11:58                 ` Mark Brown
2011-02-09 17:07                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-02-09 18:31                   ` Frank Rowand
2011-02-09 18:40                     ` Mark Brown
2011-02-09 19:00                       ` Frank Rowand
2011-02-09 19:25                         ` Mark Brown
2011-02-09 19:53                           ` Tim Bird
2011-02-09 19:59                             ` Mark Brown
2011-02-09 20:09                               ` Alan Stern
2011-02-09 20:10                                 ` Mark Brown
2011-02-08 23:35             ` Tim Bird
2011-02-09  2:41               ` Ingo Molnar
2011-02-08  2:52 ` [PATCH] PM: Hide CONFIG_PM from users Frank Rowand
2011-02-08 14:15   ` Mark Brown
2011-02-08 14:29 ` Pavel Machek

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