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From: Masami Hiramatsu <masami.hiramatsu.pt@hitachi.com>
To: Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@polymtl.ca>
Cc: Will Newton <will.newton@gmail.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Will Simoneau <simoneau@ele.uri.edu>,
	David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
	hpa@zytor.com, matt@console-pimps.org, peterz@infradead.org,
	jbaron@redhat.com, mingo@elte.hu, tglx@linutronix.de,
	andi@firstfloor.org, roland@redhat.com, rth@redhat.com,
	fweisbec@gmail.com, avi@redhat.com, sam@ravnborg.org,
	ddaney@caviumnetworks.com, michael@ellerman.id.au,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, vapier@gentoo.org,
	cmetcalf@tilera.com, dhowells@redhat.com, schwidefsky@de.ibm.com,
	heiko.carstens@de.ibm.com, benh@kernel.crashing.org,
	2nddept-manager@sdl.hitachi.co.jp
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/2] jump label: 2.6.38 updates
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 10:55:37 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4D5C8019.70301@hitachi.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP80F56386E7E060A3B2020B96D20@phx.gbl>

(2011/02/16 22:24), Mathieu Desnoyers wrote:
> * Will Newton (will.newton@gmail.com) wrote:
>> On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 12:18 PM, Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org> wrote:
>>> On Wed, 2011-02-16 at 10:15 +0000, Will Newton wrote:
>>>
>>>>> That's some really crippled hardware... it does seem like *any* loads
>>>>> from *any* address updated by an sc would have to be done with ll as
>>>>> well, else they may load stale values. One could work this into
>>>>> atomic_read(), but surely there are other places that are problems.
>>>>
>>>> I think it's actually ok, atomics have arch implemented accessors, as
>>>> do spinlocks and atomic bitops. Those are the only place we do sc so
>>>> we can make sure we always ll or invalidate manually.
>>>
>>> I'm curious, how is cmpxchg() implemented on this architecture? As there
>>> are several places in the kernel that uses this on regular variables
>>> without any "accessor" functions.
>>
>> We can invalidate the cache manually. The current cpu will see the new
>> value (post-cache invalidate) and the other cpus will see either the
>> old value or the new value depending on whether they read before or
>> after the invalidate, which is racy but I don't think it is
>> problematic. Unless I'm missing something...
> 
> Assuming the invalidate is specific to a cache-line, I'm concerned about
> the failure of a scenario like the following:
> 
> initially:
> foo = 0
> bar = 0
> 
> CPU A                            CPU B
> 
> xchg(&foo, 1);
>   ll foo
>   sc foo
> 
>   -> interrupt
> 
>   if (foo == 1)
>     xchg(&bar, 1);
>       ll bar
>       sc bar
>       invalidate bar
> 
>                                  lbar = bar;
>                                  smp_mb()
>                                  lfoo = foo;
>                                  BUG_ON(lbar == 1 && lfoo == 0);
>   invalidate foo
> 
> It should be valid to expect that every time "bar" read by CPU B is 1,
> then "foo" is always worth 1. However, in this case, the lack of
> invalidate on foo is keeping the cacheline from reaching CPU B. There
> seems to be a problem with interrupts/NMIs coming right between sc and
> invalidate, as Ingo pointed out.

Hmm, I think that is miss-coding ll/sc.
If I understand correctly, usually cache invalidation should be done
right before storing value, as MSI protocol does.
(or, sc should atomically invalidate the cache line)

Thank you,

-- 
Masami HIRAMATSU
2nd Dept. Linux Technology Center
Hitachi, Ltd., Systems Development Laboratory
E-mail: masami.hiramatsu.pt@hitachi.com

  parent reply	other threads:[~2011-02-17  1:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 113+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-01-05 15:43 [PATCH 0/2] jump label: 2.6.38 updates Jason Baron
2011-01-05 15:43 ` [PATCH 1/2] jump label: make enable/disable o(1) Jason Baron
2011-01-05 17:31   ` Steven Rostedt
2011-01-05 21:19     ` Jason Baron
2011-01-05 15:43 ` [PATCH 2/2] jump label: introduce static_branch() Jason Baron
2011-01-05 17:15   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2011-01-05 17:46     ` Steven Rostedt
2011-01-05 18:52       ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-01-05 21:19         ` Jason Baron
2011-01-05 21:14     ` Jason Baron
2011-01-05 17:32   ` David Daney
2011-01-05 17:43     ` Steven Rostedt
2011-01-05 18:44       ` David Miller
2011-01-05 20:04         ` Steven Rostedt
2011-01-05 18:56       ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-01-05 19:14         ` Ingo Molnar
2011-01-05 19:32           ` David Daney
2011-01-05 19:50             ` Ingo Molnar
2011-01-05 20:07               ` David Daney
2011-01-05 20:08                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-01-05 20:18                 ` Ingo Molnar
2011-01-05 21:16     ` Jason Baron
2011-01-05 17:41   ` Steven Rostedt
2011-01-09 18:48   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2011-02-11 19:25 ` [PATCH 0/2] jump label: 2.6.38 updates Peter Zijlstra
2011-02-11 21:13   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
     [not found]   ` <BLU0-SMTP101B686C32E10BA346B15F896EF0@phx.gbl>
2011-02-11 21:38     ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-02-11 22:15       ` Jason Baron
2011-02-11 22:19         ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-02-11 22:30         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2011-02-11 22:20       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
     [not found]       ` <BLU0-SMTP8562BA758CF8AAE5323AE296EF0@phx.gbl>
2011-02-11 22:27         ` Jason Baron
2011-02-11 22:32           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2011-02-12 18:47       ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-02-14 12:27         ` Ingo Molnar
2011-02-14 15:51         ` Jason Baron
2011-02-14 15:57           ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-02-14 16:04             ` Jason Baron
2011-02-14 16:14               ` Mathieu Desnoyers
     [not found]               ` <BLU0-SMTP4069A1A89F06CDFF9B28F896D00@phx.gbl>
2011-02-14 16:25                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-02-14 16:29                   ` Jason Baron
2011-02-14 16:37                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-02-14 16:43                       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2011-02-14 16:46                       ` Steven Rostedt
2011-02-14 16:53                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-02-14 17:18                         ` Steven Rostedt
2011-02-14 17:23                           ` Mike Frysinger
2011-02-14 17:27                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-02-14 17:29                             ` Mike Frysinger
2011-02-14 17:38                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-02-14 17:45                                 ` Mike Frysinger
2011-02-14 17:38                             ` Will Newton
2011-02-14 17:43                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-02-14 17:50                                 ` Will Newton
2011-02-14 18:04                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-02-14 18:24                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-02-14 18:53                                     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2011-02-14 21:29                                     ` Steven Rostedt
2011-02-14 21:39                                       ` Steven Rostedt
2011-02-14 21:46                                         ` David Miller
2011-02-14 22:20                                           ` Steven Rostedt
2011-02-14 22:21                                             ` Steven Rostedt
2011-02-14 22:21                                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-02-14 22:29                                               ` Mathieu Desnoyers
     [not found]                                               ` <BLU0-SMTP98BFCC52FD41661DD9CC1E96D00@phx.gbl>
2011-02-14 22:33                                                 ` David Miller
2011-02-14 22:33                                             ` David Miller
2011-02-14 22:37                                           ` Matt Fleming
2011-02-14 23:03                                             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
     [not found]                                             ` <BLU0-SMTP166A8555C791786059B0FF96D00@phx.gbl>
2011-02-14 23:09                                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2011-02-14 23:29                                                 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
     [not found]                                                 ` <BLU0-SMTP4599FAAD7330498472B87396D00@phx.gbl>
2011-02-15  0:19                                                   ` Segher Boessenkool
2011-02-15  0:48                                                     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2011-02-15  1:29                                                     ` Steven Rostedt
     [not found]                                                 ` <BLU0-SMTP984E876DBDFBC13F4C86F896D00@phx.gbl>
2011-02-15  0:42                                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2011-02-15  0:51                                                     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2011-02-15 11:53                                                 ` Will Newton
2011-02-18 19:03                                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2011-02-14 23:19                                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-02-15 11:01                                               ` Will Newton
2011-02-15 13:31                                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-02-15 13:49                                                   ` Steven Rostedt
2011-02-15 14:04                                                   ` Will Newton
2011-02-15 21:11                                                 ` Will Simoneau
2011-02-15 21:27                                                   ` David Miller
2011-02-15 21:56                                                     ` Will Simoneau
2011-02-16 10:15                                                       ` Will Newton
2011-02-16 12:18                                                         ` Steven Rostedt
2011-02-16 12:41                                                           ` Will Newton
2011-02-16 13:24                                                             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2011-02-16 22:51                                                             ` Will Simoneau
2011-02-17  0:53                                                               ` Please watch your cc lists Andi Kleen
2011-02-17  0:56                                                                 ` David Miller
2011-02-17  1:04                                                                   ` Michael Witten
2011-02-17 10:55                                                               ` [PATCH 0/2] jump label: 2.6.38 updates Will Newton
     [not found]                                                             ` <BLU0-SMTP80F56386E7E060A3B2020B96D20@phx.gbl>
2011-02-17  1:55                                                               ` Masami Hiramatsu [this message]
2011-02-17  3:19                                                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-02-17 16:03                                                                   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
     [not found]                                                             ` <BLU0-SMTP71BCB155CBAE79997EE08D96D20@phx.gbl>
2011-02-17  3:36                                                               ` Steven Rostedt
2011-02-17 16:13                                                                 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
     [not found]                                                                 ` <BLU0-SMTP51D40A5B1DACA8883D6AB596D50@phx.gbl>
2011-02-17 20:09                                                                   ` Steven Rostedt
2011-02-15 22:20                                                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-02-16  8:35                                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2011-02-17  1:04                                                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-02-17 12:51                                                           ` Ingo Molnar
     [not found]                                             ` <BLU0-SMTP637B2E9372CFBF3A0B5B0996D00@phx.gbl>
2011-02-14 23:25                                               ` David Miller
2011-02-14 23:34                                                 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
     [not found]                                                 ` <20110214233405.GC17432@Krystal>
2011-02-14 23:52                                                   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2011-02-14 22:15                                         ` Matt Fleming
2011-02-15 15:20                             ` Heiko Carstens
     [not found]                       ` <BLU0-SMTP64371A838030ED92A7CCB696D00@phx.gbl>
2011-02-14 18:54                         ` Jason Baron
2011-02-14 19:20                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-02-14 19:48                             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2011-02-14 16:11         ` Mathieu Desnoyers

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