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From: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
To: Joerg Roedel <joro@8bytes.org>
Cc: Jan Kiszka <jan.kiszka@siemens.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@ghostprotocols.net>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v1 0/5] KVM in-guest performance monitoring
Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 17:37:43 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4DCBF0B7.7080102@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110512142449.GI8707@8bytes.org>

On 05/12/2011 05:24 PM, Joerg Roedel wrote:
> >  Paravirtualizing does have its advantages.  For the PMU, for example, we
> >  can have a single hypercall read and reprogram all counters, saving
> >  *many* exits.  But I think we need to start from the architectural PMU
> >  and see exactly what the problems are, before we optimize it to death.
>
> The problem certainly is that with arch-pmu we add a lot of msr-exits to
> the guest-context-switch path if it uses per-task profiling. Depending
> on the workload this can very much distort the results.

Right.  The combination of per-task profiling with high context switch 
rates is problematic.

One thing we could do is paravirtualize at a lower level, introduce a 
hypercall for batch MSR reads and writes.  So we can use the existing 
PMU semantics and code, just optimize the switch.  This is similar to 
what Xen did with lazy cpu updates, and what kvm did for paravirt 
pagetable writes.

I've considered something similar for mmio - use hypercalls for ordinary 
mmio to avoid calling into the emulator - but virtio uses pio which 
isn't emulated and we don't have massive consumers of mmio (except 
perhaps hpet).

(and we can have a cpuid bit that advertises whether we recommend to use 
this feature for PMU MSRs; if/when we get hardware support, we turn it off)

-- 
error compiling committee.c: too many arguments to function


  reply	other threads:[~2011-05-12 14:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-05-11 15:55 [PATCH v1 0/5] KVM in-guest performance monitoring Avi Kivity
2011-05-11 15:55 ` [PATCH v1 1/5] perf: add context parameter to perf_event overflow handler Avi Kivity
2011-06-03 14:41   ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-06-05  8:07     ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-11 15:55 ` [PATCH v1 2/5] x86, perf: add constraints for architectural PMU v1 Avi Kivity
2011-05-11 15:55 ` [PATCH v1 3/5] perf: export perf_event_refresh() to modules Avi Kivity
2011-05-11 15:55 ` [PATCH v1 4/5] KVM: Expose kvm_lapic_local_deliver() Avi Kivity
2011-05-11 15:55 ` [PATCH v1 5/5] KVM: Expose a version 1 architectural PMU to guests Avi Kivity
2011-05-17 19:41   ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-18  9:03     ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-18 11:07       ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-18 11:29         ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-05-18 11:57           ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-18 11:32         ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-05-18 11:37           ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-18 12:35             ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-05-18 12:49               ` Avi Kivity
2011-06-03 14:41   ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-06-05  8:12     ` Avi Kivity
2011-06-03 14:41   ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-06-05  8:12     ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-12  9:33 ` [PATCH v1 0/5] KVM in-guest performance monitoring Joerg Roedel
2011-05-12  9:47   ` Jan Kiszka
2011-05-12  9:53     ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-12 13:11     ` Joerg Roedel
2011-05-12 13:23       ` Jan Kiszka
2011-05-12 13:43         ` Joerg Roedel
2011-05-12 13:31       ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-12 14:24         ` Joerg Roedel
2011-05-12 14:37           ` Avi Kivity [this message]
2011-05-12 14:45             ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-13 12:34             ` Joerg Roedel
2011-05-12  9:51   ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-12 13:06     ` Joerg Roedel
2011-05-12 13:38       ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-12 14:29         ` Joerg Roedel
2011-05-17  9:52 ` Avi Kivity
2011-06-01  9:45   ` Avi Kivity
2011-06-01 10:26     ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-06-01 11:26       ` Avi Kivity

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