Re: [PATCH v5 00/21] EVM

David Safford
2011-05-20T13:07:00Z

On Thu, 2011-05-19 at 21:07 -0400, Mimi Zohar wrote:
> On Fri, 2011-05-20 at 10:51 +1000, James Morris wrote:
> > On Wed, 18 May 2011, Mimi Zohar wrote:
> >
> > > > Once we have a better understanding of what the feature does and why it
> > > > does it and how it interfaces with the user, we can start looking at
> > > > the implementation.
> > >
> > > Much appreciated!
> >
> > What is the status of potential users of the feature?
> >
> > I recall that MeeGo were planning to use EVM, but they've since changed
> > their security plans. Do they still plan to use it? Are any other users
> > committing to use EVM?
> >
> > Also -- this was raised some time back, but I can't find the discussion --
> > what does IMA/EVM provide over disk encryption as a protection against
> > offline attacks?
> >
> > - James
>
> Dave Safford's whitepaper discusses this.
> http://downloads.sf.net/project/linux-ima/linux-ima/Integrity_overview.pdf
>
> Mimi

The short answer is that encryption provides confidentiality, but does
not provide integrity, authenticity, or immutability.

The easiest way to think about it is to consider a one time pad, which
provides perfect confidentiality, but is trivially bit-twiddled. Yes,
AES is better in this respect, and encrypted file systems can combine
integrity (as long as you encrypt-then-authenticate), but usually they
don't.

If you want policy driven integrity, authenticity, and immutability,
(and we have two IBM customers wanting them this year), then you want
the combination IMA, IMA-Appraisal, EVM, and Dmitry's digital signature
extensions.

dave