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From: Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>
To: Vivek Goyal <vgoyal@redhat.com>
Cc: Shaohua Li <shaohua.li@intel.com>, Tao Ma <tm@tao.ma>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: CFQ: async queue blocks the whole system
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 11:31:46 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4DF1E482.7020000@kernel.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110610092922.GE4183@redhat.com>

On 2011-06-10 11:29, Vivek Goyal wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 11:20:43AM +0200, Jens Axboe wrote:
>> On 2011-06-10 11:17, Vivek Goyal wrote:
>>> On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 09:19:12AM +0800, Shaohua Li wrote:
>>>
>>> [..]
>>>>> If there is no major advantage of draining sync requests before async
>>>>> is dispatched, I think this should be an easy fix.
>>>> I thought this is to avoid sync latency if we switch from an async
>>>> queue to sync queue later.
>>>
>>> Is it about the sync request latency which has already been dispatched? I 
>>> really wish that driver and disk should do some prioritazation for reads
>>> here and CFQ does not have to jump through hoops like drain sync requests
>>> before async requests are dispatched.
>>
>> That would never work. Are you suggesting putting that logic in all
>> drivers? Or relying on hardware to get the fairness right? Not going to
>> happen.
> 
> I was hoping that hardware does some prioritization. Well, in this case
> even if hardware maintains FIFO behavior it should be good enough.
> 
> But I would not claim anything in this regard as I have never experimented
> with it and have no idea that how sync latencies are impacted if we don't
> drain the queue before dispathing WRITEs.
> 
> I was just wondering that with current generation hardware is it bad
> enough that we need to keep this logic around?

The logic for draining around sync/async switch isn't that old, in fact
it dates only back to the last round of interactiveness fury. So yes,
it's definitely needed. It made a big difference on hardware that was
just out-of-the-store back then. I think you are putting way too much
faith into the sanity and goals of companies making this hardware.

-- 
Jens Axboe


      reply	other threads:[~2011-06-10  9:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-06-09 10:49 CFQ: async queue blocks the whole system Tao Ma
2011-06-09 14:14 ` Vivek Goyal
2011-06-09 14:34   ` Jens Axboe
2011-06-09 14:47   ` Tao Ma
2011-06-09 15:37     ` Vivek Goyal
2011-06-09 15:44       ` Tao Ma
2011-06-09 18:27         ` Vivek Goyal
2011-06-10  5:48           ` Tao Ma
2011-06-10  9:14             ` Vivek Goyal
2011-06-10 10:00               ` Tao Ma
2011-06-10 15:44                 ` Vivek Goyal
2011-06-11  7:24                   ` Tao Ma
2011-06-13 10:08                   ` Tao Ma
2011-06-13 21:41                     ` Vivek Goyal
2011-06-14  7:03                       ` Tao Ma
2011-06-14 13:30                         ` Vivek Goyal
2011-06-14 15:42                           ` Tao Ma
2011-06-14 21:14                             ` Vivek Goyal
2011-06-17  3:04                   ` Tao Ma
2011-06-17 12:50                     ` Vivek Goyal
2011-06-17 14:34                       ` Tao Ma
2011-06-10  1:19       ` Shaohua Li
2011-06-10  1:34         ` Shaohua Li
2011-06-10  2:06           ` Tao Ma
2011-06-10  2:35             ` Shaohua Li
2011-06-10  3:02               ` Tao Ma
2011-06-10  9:20                 ` Vivek Goyal
2011-06-10  9:21                   ` Jens Axboe
2011-06-13  1:03                   ` Shaohua Li
2011-06-10  9:17         ` Vivek Goyal
2011-06-10  9:20           ` Jens Axboe
2011-06-10  9:29             ` Vivek Goyal
2011-06-10  9:31               ` Jens Axboe [this message]

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