From: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
To: Solar Designer <solar@openwall.com>
Cc: Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>,
Vasiliy Kulikov <segoon@openwall.com>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, James Morris <jmorris@namei.org>,
kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com, x86@kernel.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org,
Will Drewry <wad@chromium.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC] x86: restrict pid namespaces to 32 or 64 bit syscalls
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 11:59:56 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4E496CAC.3030103@zytor.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110815185114.GA20115@openwall.com>
On 08/15/2011 11:51 AM, Solar Designer wrote:
> I agree with you that i386 vs x86-64 vs x32 is one axis and syscall
> number is another axis.
They are not. ABI is ONE SUBSET OF SYSCALL NUMBERS.
> Per-syscall restrictions are also useful, but primarily at a different
> level - I'd expect them to be used in specific programs, such as Chrome
> and vsftpd. Those programs may also want to limit themselves to a
> certain type of syscalls (that is, on the i386 vs x86-64 vs x32 axis),
> thereby making use of both features at once. Or they might even have to
> do that, depending on how we implement the syscall restrictions.
>
> Per your suggestion, if I understand correctly, any task that wants to
> restrict itself on the i386 vs x86-64 vs x32 axis will have TIF_SECCOMP
> set and will incur calls into __secure_computing(). This is unnecessary
> overhead for the case when we have a restriction over this axis only,
> without per-syscall restrictions. Vasiliy's patch avoids such overhead.
There is really no bloody difference between i386 vs x86-64 and, say,
sys_oldstat versus sys_stat, or anything else along those lines.
Putting in a bunch of ad hoc facilities because of semi-plausible
performance wins rather than building a sane filtering facility which
can be optimized as a single path is ridiculous.
-hpa
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2011-08-15 19:00 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2011-08-12 15:03 [RFC] x86: restrict pid namespaces to 32 or 64 bit syscalls Vasiliy Kulikov
2011-08-12 20:08 ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-13 6:22 ` Vasiliy Kulikov
2011-08-13 15:41 ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-13 16:32 ` [kernel-hardening] " Vasiliy Kulikov
2011-08-14 9:09 ` Solar Designer
2011-08-18 14:40 ` [RFC v2] " Vasiliy Kulikov
2011-08-14 2:38 ` [RFC] " Andi Kleen
2011-08-14 5:08 ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-14 9:20 ` Solar Designer
2011-08-14 14:48 ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-14 15:27 ` Andi Kleen
2011-08-14 15:36 ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-14 23:29 ` James Morris
2011-08-15 0:18 ` Andi Kleen
2011-08-15 0:32 ` [kernel-hardening] " Will Drewry
2011-08-15 0:58 ` Andi Kleen
2011-08-14 16:08 ` Vasiliy Kulikov
2011-08-15 18:51 ` Solar Designer
2011-08-15 18:59 ` H. Peter Anvin [this message]
2011-08-15 20:14 ` Solar Designer
2011-08-15 20:27 ` Andi Kleen
2011-08-15 20:48 ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-15 22:13 ` Eric Paris
2011-08-16 1:18 ` Andi Kleen
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