From: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Andrew Lutomirski <luto@mit.edu>,
Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>, Borislav Petkov <bp@amd64.org>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
"user-mode-linux-devel@lists.sourceforge.net"
<user-mode-linux-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>,
Richard Weinberger <richard@nod.at>,
"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
"mingo@redhat.com" <mingo@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [uml-devel] SYSCALL, ptrace and syscall restart breakages (Re: [RFC] weird crap with vdso on uml/i386)
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 16:46:24 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4E52EA50.6070105@zytor.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+55aFw4C+ShLHF2NYZMQ-Lhjow3mJ62_eqO_iAww2nh7V_-Uw@mail.gmail.com>
On 08/22/2011 04:27 PM, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 3:04 PM, H. Peter Anvin <hpa@zytor.com> wrote:
>>
>> However, we could just issue a SIGILL or SIGSEGV at this point; the same
>> way we would if we got an #UD or #GP fault; SIGILL/#UD would be
>> consistent with Intel CPUs here.
>
> Considering that this is not a remotely new issue, and that it has
> been around for years without anybody even noticing, I'd really prefer
> to just fix things going forwards rather than add any code to actively
> break any possible unlucky legacy users.
>
> So I think the "let's fix the vdso case for sysenter" + "let's remove
> the 32-bit syscall vdso" is the right solution. If somebody has
> hardcoded syscall instructions, or generates them dynamically with
> some JIT, that's their problem. We'll continue to support it as well
> as we ever have (read: "almost nobody will ever notice").
>
> One thing we *could* do is to just say "we never restart a x86-32
> 'syscall' instruction at all", and just make such a case return EINTR.
> IOW, do something along the lines of the appended pseudo-patch.
>
> Because returning -EINTR is always "almost correct".
>
I have to say it worries me from a potential security hole point of
view, especially since it clearly isn't very well trod ground to begin
with. An almost-never-used path with access to the full system call
suite is scarier than hell in that sense.
Keep in mind support for SYSCALL32 is already (vendor-)conditional.
(The obvious solution of just putting the proper register frame back in
its place would be okay except for totally breaking anything
trace-on-exit as already hashed to death...)
-hpa
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2011-08-22 23:47 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 91+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2011-08-18 18:58 Subject: [PATCH 00/91] pending uml patches Al Viro
2011-08-18 19:12 ` Richard Weinberger
2011-08-18 19:19 ` Al Viro
2011-08-19 4:31 ` Al Viro
2011-08-19 8:51 ` Richard Weinberger
2011-08-20 1:18 ` [RFC] weird crap with vdso on uml/i386 Al Viro
2011-08-20 15:22 ` Richard Weinberger
2011-08-20 20:14 ` Al Viro
2011-08-20 20:55 ` Richard Weinberger
2011-08-20 21:26 ` Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-20 21:38 ` Richard Weinberger
2011-08-20 21:40 ` Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-21 6:34 ` Al Viro
2011-08-21 8:42 ` SYSCALL, ptrace and syscall restart breakages (Re: [RFC] weird crap with vdso on uml/i386) Al Viro
2011-08-21 11:24 ` Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-21 13:37 ` Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-21 14:51 ` Al Viro
2011-08-21 14:43 ` Al Viro
2011-08-21 16:41 ` Al Viro
2011-08-22 0:44 ` Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-22 1:09 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-22 1:19 ` Al Viro
2011-08-22 1:19 ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-22 21:25 ` [tip:x86/urgent] x86-32, vdso: On system call restart after SYSENTER, use int $0x80 tip-bot for H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-23 23:40 ` tip-bot for H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-22 1:16 ` SYSCALL, ptrace and syscall restart breakages (Re: [RFC] weird crap with vdso on uml/i386) Al Viro
2011-08-22 1:41 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-22 1:48 ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-22 2:01 ` Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-22 2:07 ` Al Viro
2011-08-22 2:26 ` Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-22 2:34 ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-22 4:05 ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-22 9:53 ` [uml-devel] " Ingo Molnar
2011-08-22 13:34 ` Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-22 14:40 ` Borislav Petkov
2011-08-22 15:13 ` Al Viro
2011-08-22 20:05 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-22 20:11 ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-22 21:52 ` Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-22 22:04 ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-22 23:27 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-22 23:46 ` H. Peter Anvin [this message]
2011-08-23 0:03 ` Al Viro
2011-08-23 0:07 ` Al Viro
2011-08-23 0:07 ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-23 0:22 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-23 1:01 ` Al Viro
2011-08-23 1:13 ` Al Viro
2011-08-23 1:59 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-23 2:59 ` Al Viro
2011-08-23 2:17 ` Al Viro
2011-08-23 6:15 ` Al Viro
2011-08-23 14:26 ` Borislav Petkov
2011-08-23 16:30 ` Al Viro
2011-08-23 16:03 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-23 16:11 ` Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-23 16:20 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-23 17:33 ` Al Viro
2011-08-23 18:04 ` Al Viro
2011-08-24 12:44 ` [PATCH] x86, asm: Document some of the syscall asm glue Borislav Petkov
2011-08-23 16:22 ` [uml-devel] SYSCALL, ptrace and syscall restart breakages (Re: [RFC] weird crap with vdso on uml/i386) Borislav Petkov
2011-08-23 16:29 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-23 16:53 ` Al Viro
2011-08-23 16:58 ` Richard Weinberger
2011-08-23 17:07 ` Al Viro
2011-08-23 17:29 ` Richard Weinberger
2011-08-25 0:05 ` Richard Weinberger
2011-08-23 19:15 ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-23 20:56 ` Borislav Petkov
2011-08-23 21:06 ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-23 21:10 ` Borislav Petkov
2011-08-23 23:04 ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-24 21:10 ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-23 16:48 ` Al Viro
2011-08-23 17:33 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-23 21:08 ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-23 21:20 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-23 23:04 ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-23 19:18 ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-23 19:24 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-23 19:26 ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-23 19:41 ` Al Viro
2011-08-23 19:43 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-23 21:17 ` Al Viro
[not found] ` <CAObL_7FG8eFTZ4djKH0T8tbRf2h6+iOm=OXr8194nvzc+w+a9A@mail.gmail.com>
2011-08-23 1:18 ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-22 4:07 ` Al Viro
2011-08-22 4:11 ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-22 4:26 ` Al Viro
2011-08-22 5:03 ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-23 5:10 ` Andrew Lutomirski
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