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From: Andy Lutomirski <luto@MIT.EDU>
To: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"H.J. Lu" <hjl.tools@gmail.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
Subject: Re: RFD: x32 ABI system call numbers
Date: Fri, 02 Sep 2011 02:17:42 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4E607506.8030708@mit.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4E582EAA.1040108@zytor.com>

On 08/26/2011 07:39 PM, H. Peter Anvin wrote:
> On 08/26/2011 04:13 PM, Linus Torvalds wrote:
>>>
>>> The extra bit would be masked off and only affect device drivers like
>>> input which relies on is_compat().
>>
>> So a couple of questions:
>>
>>   - why do we need another system call model at all?
>
> We think we can get more performance for a process which doesn't need
> more than 4 GiB of virtual address space by allowing them to keep
> pointers 4 bytes long, while still giving them the advantage of 16
> 64-bit registers, PC-relative addressing, and so on.  Furthermore, there
> are users who seem more willing to port code known to not be 64-bit
> clean to x32 than to do a whole new port.
>
> If the question is "why not just thunk this in userspace", the answer is
> that we'd like to take advantage of the compat layer already in the kernel.
>
> If the question is "why not just use int $0x80" we actually did that in
> early prototyping, but SYSCALL64 is much faster.

This may be a dumb question, but:

Why not just set some high bit of rax to enable compat syscalls to be 
issued with the 64-bit SYSCALL instruction.  This could be done with 
zero overhead for normal 64-bit code (you can just adjust the existing 
system-call-number-too-high path) and the total kernel patch should be 
just a handful of lines.  Does x32 need any more kernel support than 
that?  You'll confuse strace on new binaries, but that shouldn't be a 
big deal.

Also, why do ioctls and userspace structs need any translation at all? 
This is a new ABI -- why not just teach x32 code to stick zeros in its 
structs in the appropriate places to use the 64-bit layout.

--Andy

      parent reply	other threads:[~2011-09-02  6:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 94+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-08-26 23:00 RFD: x32 ABI system call numbers H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-26 23:13 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-26 23:39   ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-27  0:36     ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-27  0:43       ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-27  0:53         ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-27  1:18           ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-27  1:35             ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-27  1:45               ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-27  1:12         ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-27  1:42           ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-29 19:01             ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2011-08-29 19:03               ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-30  1:17               ` Ted Ts'o
2011-08-30  1:48               ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-30  2:16                 ` Kyle Moffett
2011-08-30  4:45                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-30  7:06                     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2011-08-30 12:18                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-08-30  7:09                   ` Andi Kleen
2011-08-30  9:56                     ` Alan Cox
2011-08-30  7:00                 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2011-09-20 18:37                   ` Jan Engelhardt
2011-09-06 20:40         ` Florian Weimer
2011-08-27  0:57       ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-27  4:40         ` Christoph Hellwig
2011-08-29 15:04           ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-08-29 18:31             ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-30 12:09               ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-08-30 16:35                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-31 16:14                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-08-31 16:25                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-31 16:39                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-08-31 16:48                         ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-31 19:18                           ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-08-31 19:44                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-31 19:54                               ` Alan Cox
2011-08-31 20:02                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-31 20:55                                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-08-31 20:58                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-31 19:49                             ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2011-08-31 16:46                     ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-31 17:05                       ` H.J. Lu
2011-09-03  2:56                         ` H.J. Lu
2011-09-03  3:04                           ` Linus Torvalds
2011-09-03  4:02                             ` H.J. Lu
2011-09-03  4:29                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-09-03  4:44                                 ` H.J. Lu
2011-09-03  5:16                                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-09-03 14:11                                     ` H.J. Lu
2011-09-03  5:29                                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-09-03  8:41                                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-09-03 14:04                                       ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2011-09-03 16:40                                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-09-03 17:16                                           ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2011-09-03 17:22                                             ` H.J. Lu
2011-09-03 17:28                                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-09-03 17:27                                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-09-04 13:51                                               ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2011-09-04 15:17                                               ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-09-04 17:08                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-09-04 18:40                                                 ` H.J. Lu
2011-09-04 19:06                                                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-09-04 19:31                                                     ` H.J. Lu
2011-09-04 21:13                                                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-09-04 21:25                                                         ` H.J. Lu
2011-09-04 21:41                                                           ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-09-04 22:13                                                             ` H.J. Lu
2011-09-05  7:48                                                               ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-09-05 15:11                                                                 ` H.J. Lu
2011-09-05 17:21                                                                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-09-05 19:34                                                                     ` H.J. Lu
2011-09-05 19:54                                                                       ` H.J. Lu
2011-09-05 19:59                                                                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-09-05 20:27                                                                           ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-09-09 21:02                                                                   ` H.J. Lu
2011-09-04 20:11                                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-09-04 19:31                                                   ` richard -rw- weinberger
2011-09-04 19:32                                                     ` H.J. Lu
2011-09-03 14:15                                     ` H.J. Lu
2011-08-31 17:09                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-31 17:19                         ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-31 17:38                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-09-01 11:35                             ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-10-01 19:38                               ` Jonas Bonn
2012-02-08 21:36                           ` 64-bit time on 32-bit systems H. Peter Anvin
2011-09-01 13:30                         ` RFD: x32 ABI system call numbers Avi Kivity
2011-09-01 14:13                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-09-02  0:49                             ` Pedro Alves
2011-09-02  1:51                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-09-02  8:02                                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-09-02  8:42                                 ` Pedro Alves
2011-09-01  6:08                     ` Jonas Bonn
2011-09-02  6:17     ` Andy Lutomirski [this message]

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